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River Bluff Catch? River Bluff Catch?

11-28-2012 , 03:19 PM
Villain is a regular, maybe slightly more active than your standard Tags you find in these games, but doesn't appear to get out of line. I'm not sure if he has a 3-bet range in this spot preflop.

I'm thinking his bluffing range is something like KJ/QJ, maybe all broadways. Not sure if thats realistic.

Poker Stars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG+2 with 5 5
2 folds, Hero raises, 5 folds, BB calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) A 2 T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3.25 BB) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (3.25 BB) A (2 players)
BB bets, Hero
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11-28-2012 , 09:33 PM
Folds river. What is his range after pealing this flop? Were not ahead here very often, unless you have a good read that he is likely to be on a stone bluff. Fold

Pf raise is a lil too loose imo.

Also, what do you mean he doesn't have a 3! range here?
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11-29-2012 , 01:41 AM
Call for meta game, make a note for the future.
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11-29-2012 , 02:24 AM
If you had opened in later position I'd be more likely to bluff catch here.

I can't really speak to how often you are ahead in a 2/4 online game, but in a live game you are rarely good here.

With only 4 bb in the pot, I think I'm gonna catch a better spot to catch. The only thing that you beat are busted gut shots, which villain shouldn't show up too often with in this small of a pot.

I think Ima fold here.
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11-29-2012 , 04:38 AM
Pf is good. I'd bet turn to charge them six outers and fold river "ui". As played call river - I agree with your assessment of his range.

Edit - if he were a noticeably passive player even on the loose side I would be 100 percent OK xf river after xb ott.

Last edited by nonsimplesimon; 11-29-2012 at 05:08 AM.
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11-29-2012 , 12:02 PM
I'm not sure if his range/the pot size justifies a call here, but maybe his range + the chance you learn something about his peeling range on boards like this make it worth it?

I'm not happy about calling this river, though.
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11-29-2012 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
Pf is good. I'd bet turn to charge them six outers and fold river "ui"....
What 6 outers are you referring too?

I thought about betting turn, but felt like the only hands I was targeting were KQ-QJ w/o a club and that range wasn't big enough to make a bet worth it. I also have the wheel draw, so I'm a little less happy about B/F 55 than if I had 66 here.
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11-29-2012 , 02:58 PM
At the risk of really embarrassing myself, is 42s or 32s in his pf calling range here? Against an UTG+2 raising range of 55+,A9s+,KJs+,QJs,JTs,ATo+,KQo, he'd be a 2.33:1 dog getting 3.5:1 immediate. (Although if you're raising 55 UTG+2, maybe a few more hands like A8s should be added?) Is the postflop playability factor enough to outweigh the favorable pot odds?

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.308% 69.91% 00.40% 9310026 52613.00 { 55+, A9s+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, ATo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 29.692% 29.30% 00.40% 3901480 52613.00 { 42s, 32s }

Here's how that's looking after the flop:

Board: Ac 2c Th

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 73.768% 73.77% 00.00% 6489374 0.00 { 55+, A9s+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, ATo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 26.232% 26.23% 00.00% 2307652 0.00 { 42s, 32s }

Check/calls with piece trying to catch turn. Plans to check/fold the turn UI (42s) or check/raise otherwise (32s), but you don't bet. So he thinks you don't have A.

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11-29-2012 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Slide
What 6 outers are you referring too?

I thought about betting turn, but felt like the only hands I was targeting were KQ-QJ w/o a club and that range wasn't big enough to make a bet worth it. I also have the wheel draw, so I'm a little less happy about B/F 55 than if I had 66 here.
If he has two overs to your 55 like KJ QJ 89 or Q9 etc he has six outs to improve ... However I really dislike - as I think about it more - a bet on the turn. I think calling otr is razor thin as I think about it more and more. Plus as you said it sucks getting crd ott when you improve your draw. Yes I resend my betting turn statement.

I played a hand similar to this where I had 99 from the hj and a lp cc from bb. The board was AQxxQ (no flush though). I played it exactly the same as you except he insta called otf when I Cbet and I folded when he lead the river. Because he's friendly with me he flashed an ace when I folded ... I think versus my 20/40 regular tag brethren I would call because we are constantly trying to level each other ... plus they see I'm calling light they better ****ing have a hand if they're betting into me otr. But a call even in with a tag is still razor thin as I said and serves more meta game value as others have suggested.
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11-29-2012 , 10:09 PM
Why are you inducing a bluff ?
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11-30-2012 , 10:17 AM
I think checking this turn against tags is great to combat the ever popular "way ahead way behind" line. Then on the river I call because 1) I want the read, and 2) my turn check may have induced a bluff. With a better read this could be a fold for me, or even a river bluff raise hoping to fold out KK- that was going for thin value.
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12-01-2012 , 06:22 PM
i call, nh (love the turn check)

edit: i fold preflop & folding river isn't even a consideration as played imo (unless you're exploitatively folding w\ a solid read)
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12-01-2012 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
If he has two overs to your 55 like KJ QJ 89 or Q9 etc he has six outs to improve ...
Villain isn't peeling the flop with Q9 or 98 and KQ/-QJ all have at least ten outs against me.
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