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Realistic Winrate at 5/10 Live? Realistic Winrate at 5/10 Live?

01-31-2011 , 10:55 PM
I used to play 5/10 limit at a local casino. It is 10 percent up to $5 plus $1 for bbj. I seemed to always do well at this limit. When I was playing serious I was logging 25 hours a week on average. That was for about 2 months. I decided to jump to 10/20, dumb move. I was not cut out for it. School came into play, bought a new car. Basically life made me broke. Now I have is 3k for my BR to play 5/10 live.

The games are usually juicy and I can comfortably say I am always at least one of the top 2 at a table. They have changed the rake at this game. It is now 5 percent up to 5 dollars with 1 to BBJ.

I know people say low limit hold'em is almost unbeatable. Do you think with this rake system I can make a fairly good winrate?
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01-31-2011 , 11:24 PM
if the 5/10 games are anything like the low limit hold'em games in CA like i play, definitely a winrate of 2.5 BB/hr is possible.

2BB/hr for sure, although the rake is marginally killing you here.

The 6/12 game that I play 4+1 for the BBJ, and the 4/8 game is the 3+1.
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01-31-2011 , 11:40 PM
Yeah I know that stupid rake is killer. I was just told by a friend about the change. Do you think it becomes a tad more profitable now that it is 5% as opposed to the regular 10%? Therefore the smaller pots say when it is only a 60 dollar pot it will be a 3+1. This does make it more profitable correct?
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02-01-2011 , 12:13 AM
I think the rake is pretty decent. If the other players are bad, I think it can be beaten. 2BB/HR seems a stretch, unless the fish are bad in really good ways for you; the best way being giving lots of action early and then folding a lot later in the hand.
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I know people say low limit hold'em is almost unbeatable.
I'm not sure who them are. Our nice new FAQ doesn't agree.
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02-01-2011 , 12:17 AM
bukafax - i have a 300hr lol-sample size beating my local 6/12 for a tad over 2BB/hr. This is with moderate table selection.
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02-01-2011 , 12:39 AM
DougL I just meant that the live rake makes it a tough game to keep a solid win rate considering it to be high variance limit do to the looseness. I could be wrong though and that is a misconception that I had picked up over time.

I find live games funny. It seems that action depends on the time and day. Action seems to be best from 8pm to 1am. In between there people become so loose and spewey it is not funny. Fridays are also days where the loose players that have no idea come out to play. Very easy game when pots are being built by dumb people.
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02-01-2011 , 01:03 PM
For the people posting here about games with drops, note that the OP is talking about a raked pot. 5% up to $5 isn't the same as a $5 drop - as a matter of fact, 5% up to $5 is going to be, on average, something like $1-$3/pot (6-10 BB/pot).

The game is very likely beatable if you (OP) have good skills and bad opponents. Just consider the BBJ as part of the drop and anything you get from it as a bonus rather than something you deserve.

And also, you want the high-variance, high-winrate games IMO. You've got a decent bankroll for 5/10, so you can take the swings. Lowering variance is for people who are playing too high for their bankroll (or whose bankrolls are too small for their game). The key ratio is your standard deviation to winrate. 10 is pretty ****ing awesome, 15 is solid, 20 is meh.
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02-01-2011 , 01:54 PM
I just researched the difference between rake and drop. I honestly never knew they were different. The player field is very terrible. People chase gutshots all the way down, even if its capped each street. I would say I am one of the better regulars in this poker room for 5/10. I got destroyed at 10/20. Probably because I played a lot looser.

For SD how would I go about calculating mine?
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02-01-2011 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
For the people posting here about games with drops, note that the OP is talking about a raked pot. 5% up to $5 isn't the same as a $5 drop - as a matter of fact, 5% up to $5 is going to be, on average, something like $1-$3/pot (6-10 BB/pot).
I totally agree. The biggest difference is that blind steals are profitable, so no matter the game type (full of nits or full of super-loose-aggro players), you should be able to find ways to make money.
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02-01-2011 , 04:02 PM
welcome

read the faq

1 bet per hour, probably less
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02-01-2011 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
1 bet per hour, probably less
Even with the +0.5 BB/hr low rake bonus winrate?
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02-01-2011 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
Even with the +0.5 BB/hr low rake bonus winrate?
I may have misread the OP. It sounds like a 5+1 rake? That's very onerous.
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02-01-2011 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bukafax
I would say I am one of the better regulars in this poker room for 5/10. I got destroyed at 10/20. Probably because I played a lot looser.
I don't think there should be such a difference in skill level where u are the best player in 5-10 but were a big dog in 10-20. If you feel you played to loose at 10-20 and it caused you to lose, then these plays are likely going to cause you to lose at 5-10 as well. I could be wrong, but I would imagine your play should be fairly similar in the two games.
Perhaps you just ran reall bad at the 10, really good in the 5 or s combo of the 2.
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02-02-2011 , 02:36 AM
Babar, it is 5+1. Instead of it being the regular 10 percent they have changed it to a 5 percent. So on marginal sized pots it is a smaller rake.

As for the reasons there was a difference in play at the two levels is because I over judged. I had put alot of time into 5/10 so I knew that my TAG worked well. I moved to 10/20 I had assumed better players so I thought they would be playing a tighter game then the loose passive fish at 5/10. The difference that I noticed the most was that I was calling down in marginal spots that normally would not happen in 5/10. This is because I always thought, these better players are trying to put moves on me. Sometimes I was right but most times I was wrong. Essentially I became full of holes and leaks due to what I would say is mindset. Funny thing is I hit my best hands at 10/20. Hit quads twice! Sadly I decided to play tricky. Maybe my thinking was terrible and should play the games the same. I am going to stick to 5/10.

When and if I turn my roll into 6800, I will take some shot again at 10/20. I also will be able to inject 200/month into my roll.
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02-02-2011 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
welcome

read the faq

1 bet per hour, probably less
Yup.

Unless it's a kill game, then you might be able to eke out a bit more.
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02-02-2011 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bukafax
When and if I turn my roll into 6800, I will take some shot again at 10/20. I also will be able to inject 200/month into my roll.
Especially with the additional money, you should be able to take shots at the 10/20 game with far less than 6800. I'd be pretty comfortable playing 20/40 with a $7k roll with $200/mo to add on.

Here's what I'd do. Play 5/T until you feel super comfortable that you are a strong/winning player. Get the confidence back. Then, the next time you see a soft lineup in the 10/20 game, take a shot. Make sure you get a good seat, so that you have a bad player on your right. If the 10/20 seat gets bad, go right back to 5/T. The best way to move up is to play multiple limits; you aren't a player who plays limit X. You are a player who plays good games, up to X. It is standard to refuse to sit anything but great games at your high limit.
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02-02-2011 , 02:30 PM
It isn't like I get "DESTROYED" at 10/20. I have my nights where I make 800. Then there are the nights a loose 800. It just didn't feel like I was loosing due to variance or a bad run though. Just felt like I was getting out-played. I think the fact that 10/20 is riddled with regulars gets me to change.
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02-02-2011 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
It sounds like a 5+1 rake? That's very onerous.
It's not 5+1. It's (5% to 5)+1.
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