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03-17-2014 , 12:54 PM
$3/$6 live game has been playing extremely passive.

V1 is new to the table and has laging it up in his first few orbits. I've played with him one other time, and he loves ATC, but has generally seemed to know what he's doing.

V2 has been playing mostly drawing hands, has been very passive, and has been hitting everything so he's seeing a lot of flops. I've only seen him raise KK and AA preflop, and have seen him turn trips 3 times on a rainbow board and not raise.

V3 is quite possibly most passive and nittiest old man I've ever seen. He only plays premiums and I've yet to see him lead or raise no matter what he had, position he was in, or players in the hand.

Hero is in BB with QQ

UTG +1, UTG +2 limp, V1, V2, V3, button and SB limp, I raise.
Calls to V1 who 3's. V2, V3, and button call, SB folds, hero 4's
UTG +1 folds, V1 caps, V2, V3, button, hero and UTG +2 call. 6 to the flop (31sb after drop).

Flop is JQ8
Hero bets, UTG +1 calls, V1 insta-raise, V2 3!, V3 call, button fold, Hero 4(?), UTG +1 folds, V1 caps, V2, V3, button, hero call. 4 handed to the turn (51sb).

Thoughts so far?

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Turn is 7

Hero checks (?), V1 bets, V2 insta-raise, V3 call, hero call, V1 3!, V2 4!, V3 and here call, V1 caps, calls around. 4 to the river (46 bb).



Thoughts on the turn?

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Preflop I'm thinking V1 is JJ+, AK, AQs+ or maybe AJs with his laggy play and the back raise, so I'm sure I'm ahead of him at this point. V2 is where alarms are going off. When he raises again on the turn it finally slaps me across the face that he has to have 910, which is crushing me right now, but can I possibly find a fold here with top set? V3 has been the least of my worries so far, for him to be coming along to this point though he has to feel he has outs so I'm thinking he's either K10, 88, or maybe JQ. I don't see him staying this long with AQ, or AJ, and with the flush draw not hitting until the turn I don't think he has two hearts. At this point I'm in call down mode hoping for the board to pair on the river, and trying to figure out what V1 thinks he is doing when he has to be in even worse shape than I am at this point.




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River 6 missing any other straight or flush draws that are out there. Hero checks, V1 bets, V2 raises, V3 calls, hero calls (is this a complete waste of 2 bets even though there are 49 bets in this massive pot?), V1 calls. Hero shows QQ, V1 turns over JJ, V2 turns over 910 to take the pot and V3 mucks.


Thoughts on the river? Anything I should've done differently on any street?
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03-17-2014 , 01:13 PM
Easy flop jam. Even if someone shows you T9 here, you've plenty of equity to catch up w/ a pot this MW.

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Turn: Do you put V2 on T9 exactly? Could he not have 88/JJ here? I think no matter what, you're seeing the river. There's 25.5 BB in the pot already, so even if you're whipsawed for the max, you're getting the pot odds to chase down T9. And I probably call river, simply because I'm not in the business of folding getting 46:1 with top set.


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You probably still have to call. The pot is absolutely massive, though I'm almost convinced you are beat. Sorry V1 is a tard who can't hand read.
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03-17-2014 , 01:28 PM
I'd jam flop. Probably slow down to v2s aggression on turn. Get to showdown in river. The way action played out, you only lose to 9-10.
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03-18-2014 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JZ44
Anything I should've done differently on any street?
River a full house.
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03-19-2014 , 12:42 AM
welcome to the forum!
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03-19-2014 , 01:50 PM
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Turn: Do you put V2 on T9 exactly? Could he not have 88/JJ here? I think no matter what, you're seeing the river. There's 25.5 BB in the pot already, so even if you're whipsawed for the max, you're getting the pot odds to chase down T9. And I probably call river, simply because I'm not in the business of folding getting 46:1 with top set.
Honestly on the flop I was really only thinking about my hand and V1 since we were the preflop agressors and I made my set. Once V2 being so aggressive I was confused going to the turn, but once he raised again, and I stopped to think about it, the only hand that made sense to me for him to have was exactly 910. He'd been too passive on every other hand he was involved with to be doing that with 88. If he had been heads up with V1, I could see him doing it with 88 because of how V1 was, but not 4 handed. If 88 was out there it was with V3. For him to go along all the way I think he either had 88 or K10.

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You probably still have to call. The pot is absolutely massive, though I'm almost convinced you are beat. Sorry V1 is a tard who can't hand read.
That's about how I felt, even though I was only getting 26-1 after the river raise and was 99% sure V2 flopped the straight I couldn't fold in a 50+ bet pot.

Thanks for the responses, I didn't want this to sound like some bad beat story. I'd been replaying the hand in my head, and thinking I'd play it exactly the same if it happened again, and that I'm being results oriented by questioning my decisions and focusing on the hand just because of the whipsaw I was stuck in and the size of the pot. If you take dynamic out of the hand, I don't think I'd have ever thought twice about it when the hand ended.
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03-19-2014 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
welcome to the forum!
Thanks!
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