Villain in hand is a 55-60 white guy. Not someone I recognize as a regular. Very tight passive, but with weird tendencies. Has been at the same table as Hero for about 4 hours without playing a significant pot together. Once limped AA on the button and check/called down on 6-6-4-J-7. Have also seen him raise TT from MP so...who knows. Have seen him c/c to a lot of rivers and then fold for one bet into a ~10 BB pot probably 4 or 5 times. Have not seen him three bet once in four hours. Probably ins't sophisticated enough to have a real read on me aside from "young."

Villain raises from the HJ, we 3 bet KJ from the BTN. BB calls 3 cold, Villain calls, all others fold.

Flop: Q74

Check, check, Hero bets, BB folds, Villain calls.

Turn: 5

Villain donks, Hero snap-raises, Villain tank-calls.

River: 8

Villain donks, Hero raises, Villain 3 bets, Hero...?

Is there a lot of spew happening here? Should we be four betting the river all the time?

why did you raise the turn?

It masks the flush draw, continues the "I have AA/KK" story, gets an extra bet in for when the flush hits and he gets scared.

It could be wrong, but that's why I did it.

so you raised because you thought he'd fold?

Because I thought he would check/fold the river, yeah.

EDIT: But it also increases value for our flush when it hits.

comments

1) live small stakes players dont donk turns to c/f the river except in rare circumstances
2) you get value anyway when you raise the river. and if you miss you also save money.
3) in texas hold em poker if someone has you beat on the turn hes more than likely to have to beat on the river meaning that if you in more money than he does on the turn, you are losing money overall.

you can say this about a one outer as well. lets say someone has a full house and you have one out to a straight flush. would you go all in on the turn to win more on the river?

of course, not, right? the same logic applies to this hand.

Did he raise the river in tempo? I suppose he could have bizarre combo, draw on the turn, but old guys don't raise Q6cc.

The river donk after tank calling your lightning raise smells of something nasty- like A6cc.

He did raise in tempo.

Aiyah, as silly as it sounds I probably just call his 3.

Unpossible

Id really be inclined to fold pre here. What is a tight passive old guy raising even from the HJ?

jeff, i think your turn raise is sort of pointless and bad because he's not folding often and he occasionally 3bets (if this were a decent villain i would say *often* 3bets). i wouldn't 4bet the river either but i expect to win a lot. good to see you posting btw.

Where you play Jeffro? I considered myself a young 3/6 player in STL, and I'm 38.