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12-10-2008 , 11:52 AM
I have a tight image. My opponent might fold top pair no kicker if I bet flop, turn, and river and would be reluctant to raise me with a one-pair hand.

EP limps and uncharacteristically for the table, it gets folded to me in the BB. (Usually, I am looking at five-way action here, at a minimum.) I look at one card, see a six, and check.

The flop is Q64 with two diamonds. I check. My opponent bets. I know he will autobet in that spot. I look at my other card. I have 64o. I just call, planning to check-raise the turn.

The turn is a 9. I check again. I am fairly sure that my opponent will bet again if he has anything (including a flush draw) and check if he has absolutely nothing. He checks behind.

The river is an offsuit ace. I check planning to check-raise as I think my opponent's hand is either something that can't call a bet (but might bet) or Ax that is definitely betting.
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12-10-2008 , 01:30 PM
i'm usually betting the flop with 6x. the rest of the time i'm c/r.

based on your read, the river plan is good.
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12-10-2008 , 02:37 PM
I would usually check/raise the flop here.

An opponent that might bet the turn with almost his whole range against most players frequently seems to tighten up against me on the turn because he knows I didn't call the flop with nothing.
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12-10-2008 , 03:16 PM
Given your very confident read that he would fold AX to your donk, you must play the hand as you did. You know you are winning as any hand that beats you would have bet on the turn. The river check has no downside cost and 1 BB upside. 2 BB vs most opponents but he will fold to your check raise here.

This sounds like an opponent that you should be check raising a lot of rivers w/most any 2 cards. Don't let your very good read and tons of respect go to waste.
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12-10-2008 , 04:13 PM
I'm the type of player who is capable of check/calling the flop then check/folding the turn when I have odds to call on the flop but not the turn, so I feel that most aware players know I probably connected with the flop in some way, but they should also know that I could easily have a draw. They might want to bet again with second or third pair because I might have something like a gutshot (although I might c/r the flop with that).

This is a read-dependent hand. I feel like my opponent's range is heavily polarized between hands that he will fold to a check/raise (because of my image) and hands he will bet again on the turn. If I thought that my opponent was going to be scared by too many turn cards into checking, then I probably check-raise the flop. Against an unknown, I have a tendency to play it the same way because I want to find out how my opponent reacts to being checked to and I want to show him that checking multiple times doesn't necessarily mean I am weak.

If I have 6x but not two pair, then now I might c/r the flop because I don't want him to catch overcard outs. He may not fold Ax on the flop, but he'll probably fold the turn unimproved and not have a chance to catch up on the river. However, against a maniac who is prone to three-barreling, I think that 6x hands might be utilized best as bluff-catchers.

As it happens, I checked the river, he bet, I check-raised, and he took a long time before calling. He mucked, but I am pretty sure he had Ax. I wouldn't be surprised if it was something as good as AJ.
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12-10-2008 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by James.
i'm usually betting the flop with 6x. the rest of the time i'm c/r.

based on your read, the river plan is good.
Agreed.

I am leading any pair here and some draws.

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Originally Posted by mikeca
I would usually check/raise the flop here.

An opponent that might bet the turn with almost his whole range against most players frequently seems to tighten up against me on the turn because he knows I didn't call the flop with nothing.
If i managed my c/r or led the flop and got called, I am leading the turn.
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12-10-2008 , 09:07 PM
This is the problem with a tight image, against certain players you never get any value from hands. Where as with a laggy image you may get called down by ace high.

I like the hand as played, but personally i prefer to c/r the flop and bet turn.
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12-10-2008 , 11:24 PM
Close call between your line and betting the flop. If he did holdAx and the river did not bring an A, the flop bet may have been your only opportunity to get more in the middle. Even with your squeeky tight image, would a flop bet fold the villian? I try to maintain a similar image and have found that I can make $$$ the street that nobody believes anybody (the flop) pretty often, with very little impact on 4th and 5th street. Might just be the games I play.
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12-11-2008 , 12:34 AM
If the river was not an ace, then I probably would have bet the river and tried to represent a busted draw. Then, the next hand where I flop that good, I might be more inclined to jam the flop.

I think my opponent may have folded to a flop bet. I don't recall getting a good sense of whether or not he tightened up in small pots and loosened up in big pots. I just knew that he was aggressive enough to try and buy pots if checked to. I had him marked relatively early in the session as someone who was very check-raise-able. I also felt like he was not as likely as other players to check behind on the turn with a draw. Like I said, I am more likely to press my hand and take the lead if my opponent is less inclined to bet the turn.

Sure, a tight image means I get paid off less with my good hands. On the other hand, I can run more bluffs and free card plays and I cause my opponents to miss value bets because they are scared. It also makes hand reading a bit easier.
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12-11-2008 , 12:43 AM
What stakes are these? Have you ever been hu with villain and faced him with a flop donk?

Most times here, I lead. Also, most times I look at both cards before doing so, too.
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12-11-2008 , 01:04 AM
It was a live loose-passive 3/6 game which was typically 5+ to the flop. That any hand was heads-up on the flop was shocking. I was pretty sure that he was betting with 100% of his range if I checked and I never donk the flop into a player who does that.
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12-11-2008 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PokrLikeItsProse
That any hand was heads-up on the flop was shocking.
Which I surmise would mean that it's pretty rare. Is this the kind of guy that would limp AQo, or KQ or QJ (or even a worse queen)- suited or not?

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I was pretty sure that he was betting with 100% of his range if I checked and I never donk the flop into a player who does that.
Well, the uniqueness of the situation may call for an "unusual" play. Something akin to b/3-bet the flop; b/c then c/r the turn; or even b/c then donk the turn.

I dunno. You know your boy better than we do.
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12-11-2008 , 01:25 AM
Please look at both cards preflop, wtf?

If you have 66, raise preflop. Maybe even A6.
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12-11-2008 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by leo doc
Which I surmise would mean that it's pretty rare. Is this the kind of guy that would limp AQo, or KQ or QJ (or even a worse queen)- suited or not?
He probably would limp at least some of those. If he limps with all of those, he is betting the turn almost 100% of the time. I think he bets even if a diamond comes.

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Well, the uniqueness of the situation may call for an "unusual" play. Something akin to b/3-bet the flop; b/c then c/r the turn; or even b/c then donk the turn.
b/3b almost never works for me.
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12-11-2008 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PokrLikeItsProse
b/3b almost never works for me.
You don't think he raises a flop donk with QJ on that flop?
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12-11-2008 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by leo doc
You don't think he raises a flop donk with QJ on that flop?
A lot of players don't raise with QJ against me if I donk that flop. It's not just that I have a tight image, it's that I am both tight and tricky. I seem to almost always have the best hand at show down, or if I have a decent hand that is second-best, find a way to put in the minimum action. Really, a good deal of that is just folding hands that can make top pair weak kicker preflop and being able to get away from top pair when it is beat and I don't have enough outs.

I seem to inspire a lot of MUBSy fear. I've even had an opponent bet/call the flop and check/call down with top two out of fear I had a set. It's not enough to get them to make big laydowns, but enough to get them to play too passively and I thank them for saving me bets. Top pair with a jack kicker is the sort of hand where I think they fear that I could have a better hand, but if they have me beat, then I am going to bet/fold a street correctly if they raise me, so their instinct is to play some sort of WA/WB line.
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12-11-2008 , 02:56 PM
i think u need to check raise the flop after you check... waiting until the turn is too greedy....i also dont mind leading out here.... but i like check raise better if he is going to bet every time u check
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