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07-11-2009 , 11:27 PM

wizard

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8-16 OK game but this hand is vs a thinking villian who plays sound. He has folded QQ vs me when I capped HU and 3 bet a ten hi flop. He does have respect and it is mutual.

I raise early w/KK and villian 3 from middle. I cap and lead on an 8 hi rainbow flop. villian limps along. The turn is a J and I lead again only to have villian raise. I now ????

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07-12-2009 , 12:11 AM

BigBadBabar

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call down

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07-12-2009 , 12:35 AM

bravos1

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Originally Posted by wizard

How would you rate your possible options from best to worst?

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07-12-2009 , 12:39 AM

wizard

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I can't see him playing the hand this way with anything but AA or JJ and maybe 88 but probably not. This means fold>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>call>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>raise. I hate them all though.

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07-12-2009 , 01:08 AM

BigBadBabar

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his fold with QQ is very bad and so would be your potential fold here. lhe is no place for hero folds. big pot overpair see you at showdown, imo

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07-12-2009 , 05:42 AM

SetofJacks

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call/call >>>>> re-raise/fold > re-raise/call/call > fold

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07-12-2009 , 05:53 AM

asmitty

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this is call/call and it's not even close. any line that involves folding an overpair in a big pot is nothing short of awful.

i donk a K river intending to b/3b fwiw.

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07-12-2009 , 10:11 PM

vankuver

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Originally Posted by asmitty

i donk a K river intending to b/3b fwiw.

against said villain i'm looking to c/r the king on the river.

this is exactly the type of guy who would get all scared and just flat call putting you on KK when you donk into him.

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07-12-2009 , 10:14 PM

vankuver

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Originally Posted by wizard

also just call the 3bet pre.

against the villain you described, deception is worth so much more than that extra bet going in before the flop.

just think how much better you could have got paid with your QQ on that ten high board if you let him put in the last bet before the flop.

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07-13-2009 , 03:22 PM

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wizard

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also just call the 3bet pre.

against the villain you described, deception is worth so much more than that extra bet going in before the flop.

Excellent point and one that will help me make money from him this weekend.

I love this forum even when my questions get flamed because it is so instructional.

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07-13-2009 , 04:30 PM

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callipygian

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I love this forum even when my questions get flamed because it is so instructional.

+1, although I often wish people would voice disagreement more - often hearing two sides of a debate is more instructional to me than quick consensus.

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