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08-14-2016 , 12:43 PM
what do you think of these?

6 max online, villains are lp


i open 67s hijack, btn cold calls, bb cold calls

flop 79T, i have a BDFD. bb checks i check.

... another one

i open AJo, btn cold calls bb cold calls

flop 785 one of my suit, bb checks i check

both hands the plan is to check/call for 1 bet, c/f for two.
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08-14-2016 , 01:13 PM
Seems reasonable.
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08-14-2016 , 01:36 PM
67s is borderline for me BTN-2. Since players are lag, folding pre may be better.

I'd cbet Hand 1, play same Hand 2.
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08-14-2016 , 02:42 PM
I'd certainly bet the first hand. 2nd hand good
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08-14-2016 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by phunkphish
67s is borderline for me BTN-2. Since players are lag, folding pre may be better.

I'd cbet Hand 1, play same Hand 2.
sorry, should have clarified that lp = loose passive
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08-14-2016 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
I'd certainly bet the first hand.
why?
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08-14-2016 , 02:59 PM
as played, im betting both on the flop. loose passives aren't punishing us enough when we are behind but can be calling with a lot of hands on the flop with worse.

i fold 76s pre in hand 1. loose passives like calling, so we're not winning uncontested.

Last edited by ChocolateMoo; 08-14-2016 at 03:04 PM.
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08-14-2016 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker
why?
Because it is hard to make a pair. I'm not opening 7 high to check when I hit. You stand to be ahead against their ranges
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08-14-2016 , 08:12 PM
I think 76 suited from the cut-off is WAY too loose. But I agree, if you are going to check behind anything on that flop, a small pair is perfect.
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08-14-2016 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
I think 76 suited from the cut-off is WAY too loose. But I agree, if you are going to check behind anything on that flop, a small pair is perfect.
Seriously? I haven't played much online for a long time, but I thought I was nitty preflop compared to you, and I have never folded 76s in the CO in an unraised pot; never even considered it.
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08-14-2016 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Seriously? I haven't played much online for a long time, but I thought I was nitty preflop compared to you, and I have never folded 76s in the CO in an unraised pot; never even considered it.
76 suited has two problems:

1. If it ends up heads up, it has no showdown value and the pairs it flops are too often second best hands.
2. If it ends up multiway, it basically never has its fair share of equity (87 suited is the lowest hand that reliably captures its fair share of equity).

I am not going to tell someone not to raise it from the button, and even I raise it bvb, but let's put it this way-- if you pulled it OUT of your cutoff or hijack raising range, I doubt it would cost you a cent of EV.
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08-14-2016 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Seriously? I haven't played much online for a long time, but I thought I was nitty preflop compared to you, and I have never folded 76s in the CO in an unraised pot; never even considered it.
We're in the hijack, and reads are that BB and BTN are loose-passives. I'd let this go from both CO and hijack, and tune my pf range towards hands with high card strength and showdown value.
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08-14-2016 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ChocolateMoo
We're in the hijack, and reads are that BB and BTN are loose-passives. I'd let this go from both CO and hijack, and tune my pf range towards hands with high card strength and showdown value.
what's the worst Ax offsuit you'd open here?
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08-14-2016 , 10:59 PM
Oh you're right, OP says hijack, but the post I replied to from lawdude says cutoff.

And I guess my mindset is still in games where even players who were very loose preflop were not totally showdown bound when they caught anything. Maybe in today's typical games 76s should be a fold even in CO. Damn, I miss games where you could often barrel and get people to fold a pair.
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08-15-2016 , 11:28 AM
Looks good to me in both spots.
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08-15-2016 , 02:39 PM
I would fold 76s preflop if you are not going to bet this flop.

Hand 2 is good.
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08-15-2016 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by asmitty
I would fold 76s preflop if you are not going to bet this flop.
what does betting this flop have to do with preflop?

i mean if the flop was like AK3, then yeah i think your point makes sense. but i dont see your point here.
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08-15-2016 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker
what does betting this flop have to do with preflop?

i mean if the flop was like AK3, then yeah i think your point makes sense. but i dont see your point here.
My point is that you should bet the flop.
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08-15-2016 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by asmitty
My point is that you should bet the flop.
why?
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08-15-2016 , 06:21 PM
I'm pretty sure all the hands we want calling a bet will put a bet in for us with 76s on T97 if we check. We also get to put two bets in against hands we don't want to put two bets in against.
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08-15-2016 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker
why?
For value. Your hand is now ahead of their ranges
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08-15-2016 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
For value. Your hand is now ahead of their ranges
are you sure its for value (>33% equity vs. two hands that call a bet, >50% equity vs. one)?

i can see a bet for fold equity...value seems a stretch...

Last edited by KitCloudkicker; 08-15-2016 at 08:37 PM.
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08-15-2016 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker
what's the worst Ax offsuit you'd open here?
A7o/A2s.
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08-16-2016 , 12:58 AM
i like both hands
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08-17-2016 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
I think 76 suited from the cut-off is WAY too loose. But I agree, if you are going to check behind anything on that flop, a small pair is perfect.
You certainly meant the HJ, right? (that's the OP's seat) I'd say it's a bit lose for the CO, but whatever.
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