BB has seemed somewhat maniacal. BTN is your standard loose pre - spewy on flops online player. Loves him some open limping, and jamming all kinds of crap on flops.

I 3 bet flop in order to face whatever BB has w/ 2 cold, and because I don't believe for a second that BTN has Ax or 66. By the river, though, I've got a fair bit of showdown value against his dominated missed FD's, and I never expect him to fold K X What should I do on the river?

Online $4/$8 5 handed

Hero has Q 8
Action:

BTN calls, I call SB, BB checks.

Flop (3 sb): A A 6

I check, BB bets, BTN raises, I 3 bet, BB folds BTN calls.

Turn (5 BB): J

I bet, BTN call

River (7 BB): K

I...?

Raise pre. Keep barreling in case he folds a 6/J.

If you flat Ax and 77-KK otf then you can do the same w your FD, esp here where the aggro/spewy nature of villains makes it somewhat possible that your Q or 8 might be worth a calldown. If you bink, then you get in the x/r (or with Ax you just x/r turn regardless). I don't really see why you'd want to blow out the 3rd player, unless you think BTN folds too much by river, as you can get value from both when making flush, and for cheaper.

As played, I would def barrel turn and prob river, unless you have reads/timing tells, etc that tell you he has a pair and is calling down no matter what. But if you're really worried about him playing too perfectly if you check river, then you can continue to barrel a pretty bad runout for what you're trying to accomplish by the river. To x/f or x/c I would want to know how often this guy bluffs big streets when the aggressor checks.

Might not really be necessary to raise pre, as the blinds are like 3/4 or something and allows you to get in there w almost anything. Q9ss I would prob raise pre, so its close I guess.

FWIW, I can't have 77-KK given the preflop action. . Well, 77 rarely.

On the flop, I thought the parlay of facing vil's 6x with 2 cold while getting the BTN to call w/ weaker flush draws was just too tempting. I also think BTN is taking his freebie a lot on most turn cards, which pretty much ruins my chance of winning this pot UI. Plus, I'd much rather three bet my Ax on this board texture vs slowplay it, as slowplaying runs the risk of being freecarded. I can see why you might prefer c2c on the flop, though.

Given that balance consideration are worthless (he limped the button) and our line doesn't represent any made hands anyway (maybe we could have tiny Axs) :

I would barrel the river if I've ever seen him fold pairs HU. Asking "chop chop" wouldn't hurt

I take exception to saying we "never have a made hand" here. I can't have weak Ax (especially A6), or 66 (I'd raise 66 more than I call, but since I'm so rarely getting HU)? Given my read on BTN, I'm probably 3 betting my Ax anyway.

imo calling sb is fine and raising pf is spewy ( phunkphish :no one who would open call on the BU , would fold a 6 or a J on this board just because you raise pf, station will not fold, even more so because if you raise pf here, well you raise like 40% of hands ...).

why 3bet this flop ? especially with the read you gave !
they are aggro and they do not fold ?
all it gives you is to pay more for your draw (wich is not has strong has you think because paired of A for the fullhouse possibilities ).

because you can have some outs if a queen hit for some decent chance of having a good top pair hand for the river,i want to see a showdown has cheap has possible if i catch a queen on turn

imo this is a draw that can be play passively on flop and being fold on the river and even on the turn if a bad card like a K hit.


the way this hand been play, the easiest bet is on the river.

To clarify my post:

I would raise PF. As played, barrel river in case he folds 6 or J.

BTN is a tard. bad loose passive. we want to get heads up and steal. Equity wise were not doing bad. Initiative is great against bad players.

I'm on the fence for preflop. I think calling or raising are both very +ev.

I'd call the flop intending to call down on a lot of runouts and check raise when I make a flush.

Now the pot's big and we're playing against a player described as spewy with our second nut no pair. I think your intended length of play time matters. If you're gonna stay and tear up this guy's strategy when you call and see 82cc, then yeah check call the river and use that information; maybe even win a little back once in a while. If you're gonna quit two orbits later, then check fold.

This way I think you'll actually win once in a while when the guy gives up on the river and checks back his busted flushdraws or whatever crap he peeled the turn with.

FWIW, if he showed me the 8, I'd probably be filing a report to Carbon

But yeah, I like having decent but somewhat raggy hands here to complete in the 3-4 blind structure. This is certainly my line, though, as Q9s gets raised up here.

As played, bet the river. If he calls, quickly and confidently table your Q8 like it's the stone cold nuts and hope he folds his pair by mistake.

Unpossible online.

77-KK and even a lot of Ax you wont have otf in this hand, referring to the general flop play on these textures. If he's taking free turn cards, that would definitely seem to qualify as extra reason to play the way you did. I guess I'm figuring the OL villains to take the free cards a lot less than the live villains? I also wonder how weak they are raising flop here, weak Aces seem to be in the range, maybe not if they are playing 70/40 or something.