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01-24-2010 , 01:20 PM
live 8/16, 1/2 kill pot at HG

Hero: Playing tag with slightly wider raising range pre-flop. I think my image is tight/strong player. I've been folding flops a lot, and I've cut down on continuation betting today, as I think this has been too much in the past.

Villain: Woman who plays the 40. I don't think she understands concepts of equity. She calls down a lot. But the one think I notice is that she likes to bet weak hands from early position, either with bottom pair on the flop, or when the flop gets checked through.

Pre-flop: Hero has A8s in HJ.
kill checks, call, Hero raises, folds to Villain in BB who calls, kill folds, limper calls.

Flop(3 players, 7SB): QQ4
checks around

I could have bet here, but people in this game are not folding flop often, so didn't seem the right play.

Turn(3 players, 3BB): 4
Villain bets, fold, Hero raises with intention fold to 3-bet and check behind river

My thinking here is my A kicker is best a good part of the time and raise could get Villain to fold some pairs.
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01-24-2010 , 02:02 PM
Bet the flop. Three handed, you're still best a significant portion of the time on that dry flop, preserves your right to credibly rep connecting, you'll get a decent price to peel if raised once.

As played, I think the board and your flop check in position make this a bad fsdr. They rarely fold anything you want to fold. So I think you do better with call and choose call or fold depending on the river card and action.
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01-24-2010 , 02:20 PM
The flop bet would be for value and to give them villains a chance to fold 6 outs.

On the turn I prefer to call and hope she barrels the river with her whole range which based on your decription might contain a lot of nonpair nonace hands.
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01-24-2010 , 02:25 PM
you represent exactly Ax. this is not a good thing.
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01-24-2010 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by asmitty
you represent exactly Ax. this is not a good thing.
To some this can be a slowplay. I see paired flops slowplayed so much at SSLHE.
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01-24-2010 , 04:12 PM
If you're figuring your equity is worth 2 big bets more then I kind of like the raise here if you think you have any reasonable fold equity. Alternately if this 40 player will try to run over an 8 table, then call call or call bet makes sense.
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01-24-2010 , 08:54 PM
if they're calling with the flop with JT, then theres zero reason you shouldnt bet it.
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01-24-2010 , 09:01 PM
bet the flop
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01-24-2010 , 11:54 PM
since she calls down a lot she's unlikely to fold pairs in this spot. if she's stabbing with Khi or worse, you want her to keep barreling those on the river instead of fold to your turn raise.
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01-25-2010 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by albacorela
She calls down a lot. But the one think I notice is that she likes to bet weak hands from early position, either with bottom pair on the flop, or when the flop gets checked through.

alb-

This is a pretty bad player type to try to fsdr against. She's not betting a draw here; and, as you've correctly noted, implicit in the fsdr is the notion that villain can also fold a better hand to your raise.

The problem you have, tho, is that your flop check turned your hand face-up and allows villain to play perfectly against you- even to the point of 3-bet bluffing her air (something I would not discount from a 40 reg).
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01-26-2010 , 10:22 AM
Urgh I don't like this.

I bet the flop and as played I just call the turn planning most likely calling down. Raising allows you to get owned or fold out hands you have dominated.

The flop is the perfect texture for c-betting.
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01-29-2010 , 12:58 AM
"She calls down a lot. also bets turn when flop checks through."

Translation: Don't bluff. let her valuetown herself.

My way of playing this: Cbet flop as standard. when called, continue on the turn (If HU now) with the double barrel. ck back river. folding to any playback.

As played: call the turn. *reference don't bluff above* let her valuetown herself.
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