Just sat down and am now OTB. 2 limpers limp and I overlimp 96. Blinds both call. 5 ways.

Flop 432r, I have BDFD. 3 checks, CO bets, I call. 2 players call behind. 4 ways.

Turn K. 2 checks, CO hesitates and bets, I snap raise. One person CCs and CO calls. 3 ways.

River J. They both check and I empty the clip.

How the table's playing/who's in the pot/who could be in the pot answers preflop. Calling is worse than either raising or folding the flop; the pot is super tiny so I think I just fold here. Turn is spewy. Your pair outs might be good and I'm not sure you're folding Villain here; I call with flush and pair outs.

I'd fold the flop and, as played, call the turn.

Fold flop, call turn if your still in fold river

I think PF and flop are fine and I'd call the turn. 4 ways you have very little fold equity.

yeah I don't mind flop peel: immediate 6:1, probably more if others call; four gutshot outs w/ good implied odds against As if we spike; 1.5 BDFD outs; and 9s good some of the time.

turn I just call, but as played I don't mind firing the riv: draws all missed, one more overcard gives small pairs reason to fold.

+1

And after raising turn I'd follow through on river.

might of raised pre, looking to stay in controll of
and possibly get a 4card flop

I need a read that co bet folds or at least value bets thin before I try this. Was it the hesitation on the turn bet by co and all the unimproved middle cards in the oop callers range that made the difference in your decision?

you have a 9 and a 6.

don't double down on hard 15.

Flop seems like an insta peel to me.

Whats up, Doc?

Is our SD too compromised to chops and domination?

I'm pretty sure if you're going to play this way postflop, that you should fold preflop.

As played, I like the flop and the river.

Preflop is fine.

Flop peel is good.

The issue on the turn is that you have too many people to bluff. Getting one or two of them to fold hurts your draw. Getting all 4 of them to call your raise gets a tiny bit of value, but you can just call and get that value on the river after you spike it.

As played on the river, I think you built this pot. I suspect they're not both folding. If you looked at the chances that both fold, I wonder if the bluff is close to profitable. You're at the table and can see them. Still, "I'm uncomfortable and may have to fold" looks a lot like "I'm sad that I have to call this, but I'm never folding".

The is just being lost and randomly clicking buttons. You're destroying your own implied odds. Would you rather

A) put in one bet preflop and then choose to put in another bet on favorable flops
B) put in both bets preflop and get a free turn, even on boards that do nothing for your hand

4 card flops are for things like PP hands -- they at least have a set draw on every flop

River is a spew methinks having to get through two players with the pot laying them so much.

I dislike the turn raise. Fundamentally, unless CO is betting with something like QJ, he's not folding better and not calling worse. I suspect most of his range is something like 54 or A3 (which he's going to call on the turn) and so you need to barrel turn and river to get any fold equity. You just can't bluff out enough hands on the turn to make it worth it.

Maybe it doesnt matter as much against most weak opponents, but i think the turn raise is bad since you dont have many valueraising hands here given your pf and flop action.

This thread seems to have run its course, so I guess I'll spoil the fun and reveal that they both folded the river. My first thought after raising the turn was "**** me why did I do that?" but I managed to actually barrel by way to victory so I wanted to check whether (a) the turn raise was bad and (b) whether I should have made it to the turn in the first place. Thanks everyone.

When someone calls two cold on the turn and then folds it means you got lucky your spades didn't come on the river

grunch

I think the flop peel is thin but whatever - I would just call the turn - but I don't mind your play if you've got a big stack and a winning image - or if these guys are nits - but 4 ways ... I prob wouldn't do it - three ways maybe...

I think your goose is cooked otr once everybody and their mama calls ott ... they're not folding ....

mazel tov

Pre: Fine

Flop: Fine

Turn: You draw just gained value. I call and hope for overcalls. Your raise just blows out your overlay. And how likely are you to win unimproved? Are three opponents folding before showdown?

River: You've got to follow through on your turn semi-bluff. But I would have preferred folding after just calling the turn.

You're batting 0.500 on four streets. Or just 0.333 on four bet-weighted streets. At least when you misplay, you misplay big.

Preflop is pretty marginal as this hand is not as good in limit as no limit. I think Sklansky rates this a group 8 hand, whereas 98s is a group 4 hand.

I was going to say that the turn raise was terrible, and you're better off just calling and hoping to bink a five or a spade; fold the river UI. But then I saw the results. You played the hand brilliantly.