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06-09-2016 , 08:48 PM
Competent asian lady opens UTG and bad asian man cold calls in late position. SB folds and I 3bet red KK. Both players call.

Flop J93cc. I bet, Asian lady raises, Asian man CC's, I 3bet, Asian lady caps, Asian man calls again, I call.

Turn Tr. I lead, Asian lady raises, Asian man CC's, I call.

River Kr. I . . .
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06-09-2016 , 09:57 PM
b/f is out cuz of furcoats.

i bet call. bad asian man might not even raise a Q, but him and asian lady can call with worse. asian lady may not raise KcQc hoping for overcall.
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06-09-2016 , 10:12 PM
I'd check call the turn.
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06-09-2016 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
I'd check call the turn.
^
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06-09-2016 , 11:01 PM
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I'd check call the turn.
Me too. 'Competent Asian Lady' is supposed to have exactly JJ bec no cap pre and she's shoveling in chips post. Got to hope 'bad player' has club draw w/o a Queen or Q-10 which seem to me to be the only hands that make sense. Pot's huge so I b/vomit/call.
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06-09-2016 , 11:16 PM
Howard, the Asian lady did cap preflop. Don't think that means she can't have JJ, but she also could have AA, AcKc, or even the other KK (as far as we know, until the river).

I just check-call the turn as well, but I likely don't have the same image asmitty does.
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06-10-2016 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Howard, the Asian lady did cap preflop. Don't think that means she can't have JJ, but she also could have AA, AcKc, or even the other KK (as far as we know, until the river).

I just check-call the turn as well, but I likely don't have the same image asmitty does.

She capped the flop
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06-10-2016 , 12:34 AM
^Oops, I guess I read that wrong, thought she capped both preflop and flop.

Guess that makes AA less likely, which is good for hero.
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06-10-2016 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by asmitty
Competent asian lady opens UTG and bad asian man cold calls in late position. SB folds and I 3bet red KK. Both players call.

Flop J93cc. I bet, Asian lady raises, Asian man CC's, I 3bet, Asian lady caps, Asian man calls again, I call.

Turn Tr. I lead, Asian lady raises, Asian man CC's, I call.

River Kr. I . . .
Kinda really important to specify how many players preflop
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06-10-2016 , 04:32 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say '3.'
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06-10-2016 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob

Guess that makes AA less likely, which is good for hero.
Not necessarily
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06-11-2016 , 11:29 AM
whats your 3 betting range pf here?
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06-11-2016 , 12:21 PM
It seems like reads, table dynamic and what hands you are raising PF is super important. Bad and competent are a start but I think we need more. That being said I don't think your first action is really much of a decision as betting seems really bad.
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06-11-2016 , 09:59 PM
I don't understand what you mean by the second sentence unless you're referring to OP's turn bet.
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06-13-2016 , 12:07 AM
I mean checking as your first action on the river is the right play. Then you have to decide what to do based on the rest of the action. I think by the description he was implying maybe donking his set on the river and we all know only morons donk sets.
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06-13-2016 , 12:08 AM
That only applies to flops. Donking sets is often the correct play on big streets
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06-13-2016 , 09:32 PM
I like a river bet as played. Turn is probably a check as previous posters have pointed out. I mean she will bet her QQ or AJ anyway which she would just call with if you bet and if you are beat it saves a raise.
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06-14-2016 , 06:35 PM
I once flopped quads and donked on a K22tt board.
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06-15-2016 , 12:13 AM
I donked quad 10's in a 3-bet, 7-way pre pot out of the BB and it got capped back to me. C/R turn and got to cap it. Bet river and got 2 callers. After I roll over several players exclaimed 'You bet 4 of a kind? You're not supposed to do that!' To which I said 'How'd it work out?'

Take THAT, ZOMG!
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06-15-2016 , 12:43 PM
HB-

He was talking about sets, not quads.
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06-15-2016 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
I donked quad 10's in a 3-bet, 7-way pre pot out of the BB and it got capped back to me. C/R turn and got to cap it. Bet river and got 2 callers. After I roll over several players exclaimed 'You bet 4 of a kind? You're not supposed to do that!' To which I said 'How'd it work out?'

Take THAT, ZOMG!
You called 3 cold with TT preflop? Have you reviewed the definition of a donk bet in the last 24 hour?
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06-15-2016 , 05:11 PM
jfc, I'm boycotting this forum for the next 3.45 hours!

It was 2 bets to me in the BB, ffs.
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06-15-2016 , 06:00 PM
In his defense, since Howard doesn't know what a donk bet is still, he may not have picked up on the subtle difference between a set and quads yet either

Last edited by ZOMG_RIGGED!; 06-15-2016 at 06:01 PM. Reason: Take THAT returned!
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06-15-2016 , 06:12 PM
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06-16-2016 , 11:04 PM
Might matter which cards are clubs on the flop.

I'd give villain a range of something like:
AcJc/KcQc/AcQc/JJ/99/AcKc/QQ (discounted)/KcJc/QcJc

On the turn, there's 11 combos beating you, 9 combos you beating. Math gets a bit complicated with 3rd guy in there, but I think there's enough reason to bet:

a. Assuming old man's range is wide enough, we can get called by 2 worse hands, so letting it get checked through is disasterous.
b. Some value in lady raising out the old man to clean up some outs (say she has a set and old man has AK or Kx)
c. There's some chance that lady doesn't raise with better or equal hands (e.g. AA/KK) or raises with worse hands (e.g. QQ/QcJc)
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