Loose 4-8 live.

Two MP's limp, (no sb) I check my option in BB w/ 4c6d

Flop: Qd Qc 4s

Checks around (don't see the point in turning my hand into a bluff w/ little info and dont really see myself getting called by worse on this board)

Turn: 2s

I check, check, MP2 bets. I ???

Do we call here (and possibly invite MP1 to call behind w/ A rags) or turn the hand into a bluff and possibly get both to fold better pairs and protect against an overcall?

Any argument for leading the turn?

my thoughts are small pots for small hands and big pots for big hands.

i dont mind leading after its x'd on the fl. but as played ... if anything Im just folding here. ppl limp w 77 66 sometimes... but he can have A high or a spade draw too... meh... i just dont think its worth fighting for. but you can call here and see what the riv brings but chances are an ov card comes and im still not excited about calling there. i might also call if villian is fishy and hoping it gets checked back on the river. its a marginal spot pho sho.

id bet the flop. taking down the pot is better than giving free cards to 3 opponents when every turn card is bad except a 4, especially because no one is bluffing anyway.

if anyone calls the flop then c/f the turn.

Agree with kit.
Given that the flop checked through, bet turn.

I bet also, lots of worse will call. People will draw to Aces and other pair stuff. Taking down the pot is good too.

Why are we check folding the turn.... especially a deuce!?!

this = leak

bet
the
flop

..and then keep betting the turn (if called) and c/c the river?

Should we just lead the flop with every hand with some showdown value in this spot if we're going to c/f the turn? (hoping that random overs call and play passively if they dont hit?)

Also, there were only 2 opponents fwiw, (it was a "no small blind" game)

id bet my whole range (i.e any two cards) in this spot if i thought people would fold Ax hands or until they caught on. if anyone called i'd just c/f the turn.

you should be doing teh same on all similar flops (KK2, AA6, etc). these are the often the best spots to bluff in LHE because the pot is small and most people wont feel like fighting for it. your bluff only has to work 1/3, and i find it works upwards of 60% or more of the time. these bluffs add up to significant profit over time.

online shorthanded games are a different animal where people are more reluctant to fold the flop, so you have to adjust accordingly.

if we're going to make a play at this tiny pot I'd much rather do so on the flop.
- we're risking 1 sb to win 2 sb (pot minus the drop), so as kit says, if it works 1/3 we break even. by contrast, a turn bet risks 1 bb to win 1 bb, so it must work 1/2 the time.
- a flop bet is more likely to pick up an unwanted pot on this dry board. if the flop checks around and we bet the turn, our bet looks much less credible.
- if we bet the flop and are called, I'd c/f turn.

This is one of those hands you get to make mental notes on later. Because you didn't lead the flop. And then you didn't lead the turn this is a fun spot to stick in a check-raise and learn something about players you are playing against with the idea that no matter what your going to get to see the river unless in some kind of madness it gets capped to you.

The worst thing that can happen is you will sort of look like a moron when the cards get turned over and he does have three q's but be sure and show your hand to them. And later you can check raise the nuts and everyone will be inclined to call you because your the moron who checkraises 2nd pair with no kicker.

Or you should do the most practical play in the world and just fold here. Because you have no idea where you are in reality.

Another thing I thought about this hand was that when the flop was checked around to you think the players you are playing with would have checked trips because there was no other draw on the flop?

I think leading the flop is super bad. We can't get them to stab at it with air if we lead, and it's not like they will peel with that many worse hands or fold anything better.