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08-07-2008 , 09:03 PM

Xenophon

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Playing 4/8 limit live, half-kill. Current hand is 6/12 (half-kill) and hero is on the button w/ AsQd.

Pot is raised, and 3 bet before action comes to hero. Is a fold bad in this spot with no money invested?

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08-07-2008 , 09:07 PM

mwette

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I fold.

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08-07-2008 , 09:39 PM

mntndrew

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Standard fold without reads. Half kill should not be relevant unless you've noticed other players adjust to it.

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08-07-2008 , 09:40 PM

Angeleyes

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This is a fold most of the time. There is a good chance you're dominated. Unless both raisers are maniacs, then cap-it.

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08-07-2008 , 09:42 PM

mikeca

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Unless the bet and 3 bet come maniacs or people that raise very light, I think this is a good fold.

Most 4/8 players are loose passive and raise pre flop very rarely, and almost never 3 bet, except with AA or KK. Without any reads, I would fold.

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08-08-2008 , 11:09 AM

Xenophon

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I don't know what PF raiser 1 had, but PF raiser 2 had AK. He ended up taking down the pot with TPTK.

I only questioned my play because the flop came K-J-10 rainbow. I'm guessing that fold is good most of the time, even if there were 3 players seeing the flop.

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08-08-2008 , 11:37 AM

JayKon

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Originally Posted by Xenophon

Danger Will Robinson! Results oriented thinking alert!

Seriously, your fold was good

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08-08-2008 , 11:42 AM

leo doc

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Originally Posted by Xenophon

I don't think I can respond to this without knowing where the action came from.

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08-08-2008 , 11:48 AM

James.

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Originally Posted by Xenophon

I only questioned my play because the flop came K-J-10 rainbow.

in that case you are questioning it for the wrong reasons.

fwiw, i would fold against reasonable players.

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08-08-2008 , 11:53 AM

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leo doc

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Originally Posted by James.

in that case you are questioning it for the wrong reasons.

fwiw, i would fold against reasonable players.

HJ opens, co raises, hero is otb with AQo...

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08-08-2008 , 02:13 PM

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DeuceKicker

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Reads, man, reads!

Edit: People often do play very differently in a kill pot. I think this is an easy cap or fold situation, depending on your reads.

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08-08-2008 , 03:40 PM

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DougL

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Originally Posted by DeuceKicker

Reads, man, reads!

Edit: People often do play very differently in a kill pot. I think this is an easy cap or fold situation, depending on your reads.

This.

Some people treat the kill blind as a straddle and try to isolate or steal it. If you have a guy who is wide open stealing the kill and another guy who knows it, you're capping and playing power poker in position.

Normal players, this goes in the muck. Even if only the 3B is tight/reasonable, you should probably muck.

Congrats, Xenophon. You have passed the AQ test with flying colors. The hand examples are less relevant today (the whole world has gone LAG), but Inside the Poker Mind is still a great book.

Doug

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08-08-2008 , 04:19 PM

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Frond

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Congrats, Xenophon. You have passed the AQ test with flying colors. The hand examples are less relevant today (the whole world has gone LAG), but Inside the Poker Mind is still a great book.

Reminds me of a hand I layed very similar where I folded PF. I felt pretty good cause Doug said the above to me

It is so true though. You can be in a world of dung here.

I was very surprised to see an 8/16 player who in my mind didnt seem to good up till now, fold AJ the other day. It had gotten raised and 3 bet PF, he looked at his cards, and flashed them to me and tossed em in. People seem to like to flash me cards a lot. Is that a sign of something?

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08-08-2008 , 05:15 PM

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Hamking

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Originally Posted by Frond

Reminds me of a hand I layed very similar where I folded PF. I felt pretty good cause Doug said the above to me

You must be chewing that new Orbit's gum.

I get that sometimes too... did it have anything to do with the ammount of chips you had infront of you? People tend to think I'm good at poker the more chips I have infront of me... If they only knew...

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08-08-2008 , 05:16 PM

#15

bisonbison

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You're an old man and therefore a nit who will appreciate the moral fiber it takes to fold a broadway hand.

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