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Old 12-14-2016, 09:54 PM   #1
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Am I supposed to raise this turn?

8/16. 9 handed.

Folded to a guy who seems to be a decent TAG in the Lowjack...I 3 bet 99's..I have a tight image..the guy next to me calls CO..he very loose and a calling station post. Folded back to LJ who calls.

Jh8h6d..LJ donks, I raise, CO calls, LJ 3 bets, I call, CO calls.

Jh8h6d3s...LJ bets
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Old 12-14-2016, 10:06 PM   #2
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

When someone donks into me here I just call on the flop because co probably isn't folding anything you want him to and there's already a good chance the flop donkey has you beat. As played I'd call the turn.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:05 PM   #3
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

+1, call flop.
As played, fold turn. Three bets otf is way too much against a decent TAG.
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Old 12-15-2016, 01:21 AM   #4
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

Flop raise is not good, especially if we have the 9h.
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Old 12-15-2016, 12:29 PM   #5
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

flop raise is fine, esp with the CO still in play.

Once he three bets after two people have call two bets, you are only beating big hearts.

Raising the turn would be suicidal here
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Old 12-15-2016, 03:38 PM   #6
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

I would raise flop and fold turn.
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Old 12-15-2016, 07:04 PM   #7
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

I didn't think the flop raise was questionable at all. I suppose given the guy on my left was a calling station makes it a bit worse.

Are you guy's just calling down from the flop onward, assuming you didn't raise the flop?

My plan was to call down non heart turn and river as long as big cards didn't fall. Is there not enough flush draws in his range to make calling down profitable?
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Old 12-15-2016, 09:38 PM   #8
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

What does a decent TAG donk after raising 3 off the BTN on J86tt and how's 99 doing against it?

Moreover, it's not like there's a ton of bad cards for us. A 5, 6, 8, T, and Q all gives us straight draw, and obviously a 9 is gin. If a K or A peels off, then we probably lose whether we are HU with LJ or 3 way.

Someone can feel free to prove me wrong and argue that 99 benefits from getting it HU more than it is hurt by reopening action.
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Old 12-15-2016, 11:16 PM   #9
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

Are you supposed to raise the turn? No.

You were not supposed to raise the flop either.

Just my opinion.

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Old 12-16-2016, 01:32 AM   #10
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

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I would raise flop and fold turn.
This is the worst case scenario. Villain gets aggressive with a draw, and you potentially cost yourself the whole pot.
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:05 AM   #11
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

It isnt heads up, you cant just call the flop here
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:23 AM   #12
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

So we shovel $ in against a range we may be way behind of?
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Old 12-16-2016, 12:07 PM   #13
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by that logic you should fold the flop
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:58 PM   #14
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

There's a very large delta between having enough equity to raise and not having enough equity to call.
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:00 PM   #15
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It isnt heads up, you cant just call the flop here
Why not ?
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Old 12-17-2016, 05:28 PM   #16
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Why not ?


If you think you are losing, fold

If you think you are ahead of his range, raise to protect your hand.

Calling is the worst of the three options.


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Old 12-17-2016, 06:35 PM   #17
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

We're getting 11.5:1. There's a large delta between 8% and 50% equity and a lot of hands in our range that fits into that. Are you advocating fold if we have 49% equity against his range?
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Old 12-17-2016, 10:33 PM   #18
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We're getting 11.5:1. There's a large delta between 8% and 50% equity and a lot of hands in our range that fits into that. Are you advocating fold if we have 49% equity against his range?
that is basically what i was thinking when i ask the question.
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Old 12-17-2016, 11:53 PM   #19
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We're getting 11.5:1. There's a large delta between 8% and 50% equity and a lot of hands in our range that fits into that. Are you advocating fold if we have 49% equity against his range?


I'm advocating we raise the flop.


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Old 12-18-2016, 12:10 AM   #20
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I'm advocating we raise the flop.


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Old 12-18-2016, 04:22 AM   #21
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Am I supposed to raise this turn?

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Why?


To fold out CO's equity by targeting hands in his range that he's never folding for 2 bets and if CO does somehow magically fold we get to isolate our hand against LJ's range which often has us in bad shape. TAGfish 101. Duh.

Also, refer to Bob's post to note that he's already said this exact thing in the first response to the OP.

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Old 12-18-2016, 01:59 PM   #22
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

i think calling is best to not isolate yourself against a stronger hand range and keep the other guy in if he has garbage
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Old 12-18-2016, 05:59 PM   #23
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So we call the flop. Fish behind calls the flop.

Turn is 2s

Villain bets. Hero?


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Old 12-18-2016, 06:05 PM   #24
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Re: Am I supposed to raise this turn?

Calls, nothing has changed
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Old 12-18-2016, 06:22 PM   #25
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Calls, nothing has changed
i agree
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