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12-14-2016 , 09:54 PM
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8/16. 9 handed.

Folded to a guy who seems to be a decent TAG in the Lowjack...I 3 bet 99's..I have a tight image..the guy next to me calls CO..he very loose and a calling station post. Folded back to LJ who calls.

Jh8h6d..LJ donks, I raise, CO calls, LJ 3 bets, I call, CO calls.

Jh8h6d3s...LJ bets
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12-14-2016 , 10:06 PM
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When someone donks into me here I just call on the flop because co probably isn't folding anything you want him to and there's already a good chance the flop donkey has you beat. As played I'd call the turn.
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12-14-2016 , 11:05 PM
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+1, call flop.
As played, fold turn. Three bets otf is way too much against a decent TAG.
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12-15-2016 , 01:21 AM
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Flop raise is not good, especially if we have the 9h.
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12-15-2016 , 12:29 PM
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flop raise is fine, esp with the CO still in play.

Once he three bets after two people have call two bets, you are only beating big hearts.

Raising the turn would be suicidal here
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12-15-2016 , 03:38 PM
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I would raise flop and fold turn.
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12-15-2016 , 07:04 PM
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I didn't think the flop raise was questionable at all. I suppose given the guy on my left was a calling station makes it a bit worse.

Are you guy's just calling down from the flop onward, assuming you didn't raise the flop?

My plan was to call down non heart turn and river as long as big cards didn't fall. Is there not enough flush draws in his range to make calling down profitable?
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12-15-2016 , 09:38 PM
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What does a decent TAG donk after raising 3 off the BTN on J86tt and how's 99 doing against it?

Moreover, it's not like there's a ton of bad cards for us. A 5, 6, 8, T, and Q all gives us straight draw, and obviously a 9 is gin. If a K or A peels off, then we probably lose whether we are HU with LJ or 3 way.

Someone can feel free to prove me wrong and argue that 99 benefits from getting it HU more than it is hurt by reopening action.
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12-15-2016 , 11:16 PM
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Are you supposed to raise the turn? No.

You were not supposed to raise the flop either.

Just my opinion.
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12-16-2016 , 01:32 AM
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I would raise flop and fold turn.
This is the worst case scenario. Villain gets aggressive with a draw, and you potentially cost yourself the whole pot.
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12-16-2016 , 11:05 AM
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It isnt heads up, you cant just call the flop here
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12-16-2016 , 11:23 AM
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So we shovel $ in against a range we may be way behind of?
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12-16-2016 , 12:07 PM
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by that logic you should fold the flop
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12-16-2016 , 01:58 PM
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There's a very large delta between having enough equity to raise and not having enough equity to call.
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12-16-2016 , 09:00 PM
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It isnt heads up, you cant just call the flop here
Why not ?
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12-17-2016 , 05:28 PM
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Why not ?


If you think you are losing, fold

If you think you are ahead of his range, raise to protect your hand.

Calling is the worst of the three options.


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12-17-2016 , 06:35 PM
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We're getting 11.5:1. There's a large delta between 8% and 50% equity and a lot of hands in our range that fits into that. Are you advocating fold if we have 49% equity against his range?
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12-17-2016 , 10:33 PM
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We're getting 11.5:1. There's a large delta between 8% and 50% equity and a lot of hands in our range that fits into that. Are you advocating fold if we have 49% equity against his range?
that is basically what i was thinking when i ask the question.
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12-17-2016 , 11:53 PM
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We're getting 11.5:1. There's a large delta between 8% and 50% equity and a lot of hands in our range that fits into that. Are you advocating fold if we have 49% equity against his range?


I'm advocating we raise the flop.


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12-18-2016 , 12:10 AM
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I'm advocating we raise the flop.


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Why?
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12-18-2016 , 04:22 AM
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Why?


To fold out CO's equity by targeting hands in his range that he's never folding for 2 bets and if CO does somehow magically fold we get to isolate our hand against LJ's range which often has us in bad shape. TAGfish 101. Duh.

Also, refer to Bob's post to note that he's already said this exact thing in the first response to the OP.
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12-18-2016 , 01:59 PM
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i think calling is best to not isolate yourself against a stronger hand range and keep the other guy in if he has garbage
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12-18-2016 , 05:59 PM
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So we call the flop. Fish behind calls the flop.

Turn is 2s

Villain bets. Hero?


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12-18-2016 , 06:05 PM
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Calls, nothing has changed
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12-18-2016 , 06:22 PM
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Calls, nothing has changed
i agree
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