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01-20-2008 , 01:45 AM

gmillera3

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Full 10-20. Hero is BB with AA. Two limps, CO (lag) raises, Hero 3 bets, one limper (new player) calls, other folds. 3 ways to the flop.

Flop is 567r

Hero bets, limper raises, CO calls, hero 3 bets, limper calls, CO folds.

Turn is offsuit 4

Hero checks, limper bets, CO folds, hero ?

Also, feel free to point out mistakes. Should I have not 3 bet flop and if not, how do I play it from there after taking that line?

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01-20-2008 , 02:00 AM

Xhad

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Bet the turn.

If you check the turn it's because you think the limper will bet both streets for you regardless of his hand, which means folding is dumb.

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01-20-2008 , 06:52 AM

BubbleMint

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CO folded flop or turn ?

Limper betting into you on the turn is less scarey than him betting into two opponents.

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01-20-2008 , 03:03 PM

James.

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don't check the turn!

it makes the hand more difficult to play unless you have a read that villain will bet more hands than he will call. if he's bluff/aggro that board might be a good spot to induce a bluffraise.

keep in mind that, in terms of the hands you beat, villain might be just as scared of the board as you are.

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01-20-2008 , 03:08 PM

KitCloudkicker

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i think you should least consider doing a CR on this flop.

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01-20-2008 , 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker

i think you should least consider doing a CR on this flop.

why?

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01-20-2008 , 05:26 PM

KitCloudkicker

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Originally Posted by James.

why?

more value, more protection (gutshots esp), balances out all those times when you raise pf with AK or whatever and check the flop when you miss.

plus with all those people in i doubt this flop is getting checked around in a 10/20 game.

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01-20-2008 , 06:11 PM

James.

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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker

sounds reasonable if we can count on CO betting all of the time(which i think we often can).

the drawback being that this means you need to c/c with your AA some of the time. otherwise when you c/r(when only c/c with AK) you turn your hand faceup as a big pair, right(unless you choose the unpleasant option of c/r an UI AK)?

fwiw, 3 handed i would be less concerned about gutters because CO raised pf(weighting his range towards dominated pairs and big cards) and the limpers range is probably really wide.

so c/r isn't bad some of the time. the default should be bet/3bet, though.

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01-20-2008 , 06:17 PM

Xhad

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FWIW if CO is nutty enough I have c/r AKs in this type of spot before

It's really hilarious when the other guy folds 22 and you beat AT at showdown

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01-20-2008 , 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Xhad

FWIW if CO is nutty enough I have c/r AKs in this type of spot before

for sure. you have the best hand alot against his range.

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01-21-2008 , 01:17 AM

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gmillera3

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So when I bet the turn, what am I doing if I get raised vs. an unknown? What is my plan for the river if he just calls on the turn?

This is just a bad spot in general. I feel like my hand is face up on the table at this point, so I don't want to fold to a turn raise, especially in a big pot, but I really don't want to just blindly pay off two more big bets either.

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