Live 8/16

Hero is considered tight aggressive and hasn't gotten out of line all night. Always showed up with winners at showdowns.

Two players: Fish 1 is a loose cannon, plays anything. calls with any two cards. Bets/Raises on draws. Fish 2 is some what normal but still bad.

Two fish limps in, BUTTON raises. Hero calls with J8 in the BB.


FLOP

8T3

Hero bets, Fish 2 calls, Fish 1 raises, Button folds. Hero 3 bets. Fish 2 calls saying AT no good? Fish 1 pauses and asks Fish 2 if he indeed has AT and Fish 2 confirms. Fish 1 says he has AT as well and he can't lay it down. They both call.

TURN

7

Hero? 9s, s, 8s and any J. Bet because we picked up more outs and try to semi bluff or shut down and call since they both have AT and never gonna lay down the hands?

I just like to bet out here. Like you said, your hand has gotten a little better, and given the chat at the table, it's possible that the two fish are planning to slow down. I imagine the bet is for value. I think everyone is calling here.

i bet. They aren't going to raise you and I think 3 way this is value. I mean, your outs are legion.

bet for value:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=8318664
pokenum -h jc 8c - ac ts - as th -- 8d tc 3c 7h
Holdem Hi: 42 enumerated boards containing Tc 3c 8d 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jc 8c 16 38.10 26 61.90 0 0.00 0.381
Ts Ac 0 0.00 16 38.10 26 61.90 0.310
As Th 0 0.00 16 38.10 26 61.90 0.310

People like to lie as well, so bet. I am thinking your club draw may not be good though.

River bricked, I still fired. (leak) I was just hoping they would respect my 3 bet on the flop as I was the nittiest on the table. They both called and showed AT. (no clubs)

haha.

poker, what a game.

i like your flop donk

on the turn my experience with live games is that while there is some lying going on is the is a shocking amount of truth telling

still, bet for value on turn. plan to fire any riv improvement and otherwise c/reeval.
I would not overcall personally

I wouldn't donk the flop unless I had a sense that the player on the button had a low c-bet percentage in 4-way hands. This flop is wet; someone's going to bet it, and when they do we're going to check-raise, because our equity is huge.

Our equity is significant on the turn, too, and as played we have the initiative. Bet.

I the flop donk here. You has monster and the exact correct position to try and get everyone to throw 1 or 2 hopeless bets into this pot. I think 3 betting the flop is kind of fine (you could just call), but once they both call I'd actually consider releasing initiative on the turn and just checking to call as many bets as necessary. People like them some tens. People don't fold tens preflop.

i also like the flop donk considering your read that fish 1 is a loose cannon, and will often raise for you. being that you 3bet the flop, have initiative, and have picked up some more outs, i like betting the turn. if our hand doesn't improve on the river it's going to be tough to get two villain's to fold for one bet so i like c/f'ing the river ui, you can't win them all.