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01-12-2013 , 09:14 AM

CaliRobC

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So I'm in CO with 77.

HJ- Loose player dumping chips, raises

I 3 bet- Image is TAG, not out of line....

Blinds are weak and loose and are much more likely to fold to 3 bets. One bet and they are automatically calling.

Is it a fold here or if I'm going to play it am I right for 3 betting to isolate?
Sorry if this is a dumb...

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01-12-2013 , 09:20 AM

Bob148

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I like it so far. What are you doing on the flop if it's 3 handed or less? 4 handed? I'm bored. Let's make a plan.

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01-12-2013 , 11:08 AM

wbatas

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I like it.

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01-12-2013 , 11:13 AM

BigBadBabar

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it's the standard correct play

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01-12-2013 , 11:24 AM

daveopie

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You either want like 6 or more people to see the flop so you have odds to hit your set, or you only want 2 people to see a flop so if and when cards bigger than you 7s are in the board, they are less likely to match some other players cards.

Calling would cause 4 players to see the flop. Raising would limit it to 2 players and you have position on your opponent.

Raise!

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01-12-2013 , 11:34 AM

Trex8063

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100% standard given reads.

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01-12-2013 , 11:46 AM

running man

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i can't count the number of times
a 4 card flop hit my set. Or keeping my small to mid pair hu, gave me a win... nh!
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01-12-2013 , 12:01 PM

SadDonkey

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NH so far, especially given your read.

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01-12-2013 , 12:37 PM

leo doc

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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar

it's the standard correct play

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Originally Posted by Trex8063

100% standard given reads.

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Originally Posted by SadDonkey

NH so far, especially given your read.

Standard... even without a read.

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01-12-2013 , 03:34 PM

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Loopshot1

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Raising>calling w the intention of betting or raising most flops>folding>calling with the intention of continuing only with a flopped set. NH

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01-12-2013 , 04:56 PM

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CaliRobC

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Thanks for the feedback.

To continue the discussion if the orignal raiser in the HJ was pretty tight, then thats a fold right or given the looseness of the SB and BB, can I just flat? There will only be 4 of us in the pot then so calling just to try to hit a set isn't that profitable right?

In the actual hand I got 4 bet from the SB, BB came along, and everybody else called. Flop was then checked to me with a 962R board. I bet and got check raised, BB called as well as HJ. I called once and folded to a bet on the turn when a king came.

Standard?

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01-12-2013 , 05:36 PM

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running man

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Originally Posted by Loopshot1

Raising>calling w the intention of betting or raising most flops>folding>calling with the intention of continuing only with a flopped set. NH

id fold before cc..ing
...if u NEVER cc first in (except occasional plays 4 deception) i don't think Ur making a mistake
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01-13-2013 , 01:07 PM

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Bob148

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Originally Posted by CaliRobC

I wouldn't coldcall against a tight raiser. The hand isn't standard but that's because sb screwplayed the flop. I'd play it the same without a better read on sb, unless you picked up a straight draw to go along with your pair in which case I'd call the turn. Adjust your read on sb to spazz/tricky.

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01-13-2013 , 01:25 PM

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running man

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Originally Posted by CaliRobC

yup
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01-13-2013 , 01:43 PM

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kahntrutahn

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Originally Posted by CaliRobC

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Originally Posted by Trex8063

100% standard given reads.

Even with out reads... In a vacuum with 0 information other than: HJ opened, and you have 77 in CO, you should 3 town every single time!

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01-13-2013 , 01:46 PM

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kahntrutahn

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Originally Posted by CaliRobC

To continue the discussion if the orignal raiser in the HJ was pretty tight, then thats a fold right or given the looseness of the SB and BB, can I just flat?

NEVER cold call here (there are very few spots to ever cold call in LHE). And even if he is tight, the play here is to 3 bet. Unless you have a significant sample size of this guy never opening anything for a raise but big pairs, this is always a 3 bet.

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