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02-17-2014 , 09:42 PM

lookatthecheese

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 158

Hero in BB. Fold to middle position who raises one chip short of all in, fold to SB who 3B. I'm in BB with A10. SB is a decent player that I've played with a few times before. Felt like an isolation play so I called.

Flop 998 SB bet i call other player goes all in.

Turn 6. SB bet I call with added outs

River 3 SB bets I?

Thoughts on all streets appreciated. Most importantly pre and river. Thx

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02-17-2014 , 10:48 PM

KitCloudkicker

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8,405

cap pre

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02-17-2014 , 11:35 PM

lookatthecheese

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 158

Cap is 5 bets so.... Impossible. Next?

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02-18-2014 , 04:47 AM

ChocolateMoo

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 846

I'd consider FSDR the turn, as much as I'll probably get flamed for it.

There'll probably be some posters that'll split hairs over whether a raise is for "value" or to "bluff". I'd think it's both. You can represent 9x and full-houses, fold out better aces and (god-forbid) pairs, get value out of 6-10 outer-type hands (QJ/KQ/KT/etc.) and some weaker ace hi-s.

As played, I'd just shrug-call river.

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02-18-2014 , 03:28 PM

Nchabazam

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I think a call PF is fine, and I think folding the river is correct.

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02-18-2014 , 03:44 PM

callipygian

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Originally Posted by lookatthecheese

Cap is 5 bets so.... Impossible. Next?

4-bet pre.

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02-18-2014 , 04:01 PM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by Nchabazam

I think a call PF is fine, and I think folding the river is correct.

I hate folding river here. What kind of board did we want to have when we called two cold?

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02-18-2014 , 04:28 PM

Nchabazam

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

I hate folding river here. What kind of board did we want to have when we called two cold?

One where a guy isn't barreling off UI in a protected pot.

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02-19-2014 , 03:05 AM

Jon_locke

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 4,180

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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker

cap pre

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Originally Posted by callipygian

4-bet pre.

why? I think calling is clearly best

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02-19-2014 , 03:54 AM

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rodeo

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,305

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

I hate folding river here. What kind of board did we want to have when we called two cold?

think about a few things: 1) this is 6/12 where villain is, imo, more likely to have a stronger hand when he 3bets out of the sb. 2) villain will accidentally value bet AK, AQ, and AJ when thinking he's betting to get hero to fold a better hand. 3) we're not hu on the river here and because of the presence of the all-in player, our pot odds have been reduced. meaning: in order to make calling correct on the river, we have to be able to beat both opponents often enough. because the third player is all-in and not contributing bets to the pot, the pot is smaller than it would be had he had more chips.

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02-19-2014 , 04:03 PM

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Breich

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,025

*g*

GTO is gonna be a close fold on the river but if he is 100% cbetting flop (and, to a lesser extent, turn) then we can call river.

If the opener weren't all in pre I would just call in the BB, but given that you'll be HU a cap is alright if you feel he is iso'ing.

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02-21-2014 , 09:39 AM

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lookatthecheese

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 158

I felt i was definitely strong enough to call vs his range on the flop and the turn but the river was the toughest spot for me here. I just felt at worst that he would be betting at better ace hi here especially vs an all in that could easily have anything. But I've made bad folds before when people are barreling into a dry or nearly dry side pot

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02-21-2014 , 02:05 PM

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jesse8888

Yes, you barred

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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker

cap pre

Correct.

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02-21-2014 , 02:06 PM

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jesse8888

Yes, you barred

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Originally Posted by lookatthecheese

Cap is 5 bets so.... Impossible. Next?

Oh. Then I'd just call.

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02-21-2014 , 02:07 PM

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jesse8888

Yes, you barred

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Originally Posted by jesse8888

Oh. Then I'd just call.

If you can't call this river fold pre.

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02-21-2014 , 02:13 PM

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Jlo22

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I'd fold pre....

If I did call I'd fold flop. Not interested in putting in 2.5 BB to see if my ace is good. Probably isn't and any pair beats me too.

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02-21-2014 , 05:32 PM

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MichaelOar

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Assuming standard llhe lineup, why play marginal hand vs strong player in a protected pot, esp if you will be lost if you don't connect?

As played, fsdr turn.

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