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06-23-2014 , 06:53 AM

Bob148

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Players behind me are tight and never 3 bet preflop in a few hours of play. I've adjusted by opening wider than normal. The cutoff has adjusted her postflop play against me by raising most any decent hand.

I raise QTo two off the button, cutoff and button both call.

K94r

I bet, cutoff raises, button calls, I call.

Jo

I check, cutoff checks, button checks.

9

I bet, cutoff raises, button calls and I want to 3 bet.

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06-23-2014 , 06:55 AM

Bigkahun4

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Board pairing is ugly what are the stack sizes

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06-23-2014 , 07:51 AM

Bob148

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Originally Posted by Bigkahun4

Board pairing is ugly what are the stack sizes

My apologies to you and the rest of the poker theory forum. This is a limit holdem hand that I meant to post in the small stakes limit holdem forum.

All players had enough money to play for a cap on the river, which is four bets.

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06-23-2014 , 12:49 PM

Raizin_Azian

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I'd give strong consideration to going 3-bets on the river.

Given the action on the turn, it seems pretty unlikely that anyone filled up.

You've certainly got the BTN beat (he would've raised river if he had a straight+).

Readless, but any sane CO would've bet 2 pair or a set on the turn with a 3-straight out there. Same with the BTN when it was checked to him.

I'd wager that CO raised middle pair on the flop trying to iso, take the lead/evaluate, and have the option for a free card on the turn (if he got the BTN to fold flop). He probably tripped up and is raising on that.

I'd go to 3-town and expect to be called & good a majority of the time.

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06-23-2014 , 02:19 PM

jesse8888

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Three bang

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06-23-2014 , 06:23 PM

LuckRunsOut8

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I would bet the turn as this getting checked is a small disaster.
As played I would three bet river for reasons stated by raizin, above.

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06-23-2014 , 07:03 PM

lookatthecheese

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Three bet/call

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06-24-2014 , 12:35 AM

ChocolateMoo

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Originally Posted by LuckRunsOut8

I would bet the turn as this getting checked is a small disaster.
As played I would three bet river for reasons stated by raizin, above.

Totally results oriented. 3bet river.

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06-24-2014 , 01:06 AM

LuckRunsOut8

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Originally Posted by ChocolateMoo

Totally results oriented. 3bet river.

No? The aggression and reliability of bettors at 4/8 tends to be low. We made the nuts, let's allow someone to overplay two pair or whatever. I don't agree.

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06-24-2014 , 10:51 AM

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I'd 3-bet. I'd even call a 4th bet, since if they have a boat, the turn play is a pure affront to poker.

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06-25-2014 , 12:30 AM

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MacauBound

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If you are beat on the river 10x, the CO beats you 9x and the BTN only beats you once. So you're mostly looking at a 9, and a boat much less often, especially after the turn is checked thru me thinks.

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06-26-2014 , 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by lookatthecheese

Three bet/call

This.

Slowplaying 2pair/sets on a KJ9x board is extremely rare.

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06-26-2014 , 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LuckRunsOut8

I would bet the turn as this getting checked is a small disaster.
As played I would three bet river for reasons stated by raizin, above.

There's no good reason to believe the turn will get checked through. Villain coldcalled preflop and then raised on a board with no big draws (K94r). His most likely hand is Kx, and he's likely betting every turn card except an Ace. So we have a situation where Hero is in the prime, trap the field, check/raising position on the turn with the nuts, against an opponent that we should expect to bet. Betting the turn in this spot would be a serious fundamental mistake.

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06-27-2014 , 04:09 AM

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Bob148

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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929

This.

Slowplaying 2pair/sets on a KJ9x board is extremely rare.

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06-28-2014 , 01:38 AM

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Cutoff raised his gutshot on the flop, then checked the turn when he hit it? Some backwards poker right there...

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07-04-2014 , 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chillrob

Cutoff raised his gutshot on the flop, then checked the turn when he hit it? Some backwards poker right there...

Im glad YOU said it.

Im probably going to fire this turn OOP as well ITs 4/8 right and Ive got T&P ish caller and over caller profiles behind

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07-06-2014 , 06:09 PM

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I'll be the first to say fold pre.

Is this a full ring or short handed 4/8? Live or online? If it's full ring and live, it's probably a terrible game if it gets folded to BTN-2.

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07-06-2014 , 06:15 PM

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Bob148

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Originally Posted by phunkphish

Is this a full ring or short handed 4/8? Live or online?

Live and if I remember correctly it was six handed.

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07-12-2014 , 08:46 AM

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doctorflush

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What is a good size bankroll to start 4/8 limit

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07-12-2014 , 09:54 PM

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What is a good size bankroll to start 4/8 limit

What ever you can pull out of your couch cushions.

Seriously, you don't need a bankroll to play 4/8. When you put together $200, go play. If you busto, save up again and rinse, repeat. If you can replenish the money easy enough and are just playing for recreational, just go play when you have some money you don't mind losing.

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07-20-2014 , 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob148

The cutoff has adjusted her postflop play against me by raising most any decent hand.

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Originally Posted by Bob148

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And here I was thinking CO probably was scared enough by Button's flop cold-call to go into cheap-showdown mode with 9x after the flop isolation didn't work, and then tripped up on the river...

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

I'd 3-bet. I'd even call a 4th bet, since if they have a boat, the turn play is a pure affront to poker.

I'm definitely calling a fourth bet if it comes. CO doesn't respect us and may not realize we whiffed on a turn checkraise. I mean, I'd be very surprised if she had less than trips, but I wouldn't be so surprised if she did just have trips.

Last edited by Nick C; 07-20-2014 at 01:02 AM.

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