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04-03-2018 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
It's really irrelevant unless someone at the cage is keeping track of your wins and reporting it to the government, which I can't imagine is happening. You're on the honor system anyway.
The cage absolutely tracks your wins and losses (more accurately your buyins and cashmere). It is part of their AML requirement. Just ask them and they will tell you what they collect and what they do with the information.
04-03-2018 , 11:55 AM
Really? So the cage knows how ****ing terrible I am at poker?
04-03-2018 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
I'm not planning on doing anything unless people ask me to do so. While I'm not personally much into talking politics in social settings, everyone seems to be being nice to most everyone else. If people want me to contain the discussion in its own thread, it is a few button clicks. In the old micros, MrWookie ruled against politics in the NC with an iron fist. Would be happy to assume that persona if people want, but my inclination is to only get involved (beyond posting) when people get mad at each other.

I'll just agree with Bob, about the discussion. It is heartening to have people disagree with mutual respect.


However, buttons are easy to click. BBB and I are a PM away.
Of course it's friendly, everyone that has posted about it agree with each other. People in agreement don't argue. If someone starts talking on the other side, it will get unfriendly in a big hurry. Look at the national debate. No reason to believe it would be any different in here.
04-03-2018 , 01:33 PM
What is “the other side” of “how to make schools safer”?

Someone hit the nail on the head about policies that make people “feel” safer vs actually be safer. If the latter was actually true things would look very very different, but politicians don’t do things for the latter reason because the majority want the former (sometimes subconsciously). Probably most obvious example is the lack of popularity of Obamacare and/or welfare type programs in parts of the country that rely on them heavily.
04-03-2018 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by holmfries
The cage absolutely tracks your wins and losses (more accurately your buyins and cashmere).
So THAT’S why the cashiers and chip runners always ask for my name and SSAN when I buy chips! Fortunately I never have any cashmere so I guess I’m safe there.
04-03-2018 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by holmfries
The cage absolutely tracks your wins and losses (more accurately your buyins and cashmere). It is part of their AML requirement. Just ask them and they will tell you what they collect and what they do with the information.
I have played at tons of rooms and never once had to show ID when buying chips. Only once had to show when cashing out, after a very large win. He's talking about cash games, not tournaments.
04-03-2018 , 02:17 PM
Tracking every cash transaction would require a dedicated team of folks watching the cameras for solely that purpose. Most casinos, including Canterbury, do not have or dedicate those types of resources, especially when there is no reason for them to do so.

Vegas pit bosses roughly keep track of your habits for the purpose of rating play, but that's another story.
04-03-2018 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Of course it's friendly, everyone that has posted about it agree with each other.
I have to admit skipping all of it, same as if HB posted more pictures with his pants down. As long as people aren't shouting at each other, my plan was to continue to ignore the poli postings in hopes that they'd go away. Thus, I have no opinion or knowledge about the quality of debate. If enough people (which would be a small number) want me to make a uLHE safety thread, it would take clicking a few boxes, and suddenly all those posts would be there.
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I have played at tons of rooms and never once had to show ID when buying chips.
+1

I've had the odd person at a cage say "nice night" when I cashed out, and I always say "thanks, almost got back to even". I have no idea how anyone would track my play, especially in places where it is common to sell a rack or two to a new player joining the game. Nobody has any ID to correlate to buying chips or cashing them back in.
04-03-2018 , 03:56 PM
I think people are conflating "the casino keeps track of chips coming in and chips going out" with "the casino correlates the two and matches it to a player."
04-03-2018 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
I think people are conflating "the casino keeps track of chips coming in and chips going out" with "the casino correlates the two and matches it to a player."
Well this just confirmed it the casino DEFINITELY knows how ****ing bad I am at poker!
04-03-2018 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Canceler
So THAT’S why the cashiers and chip runners always ask for my name and SSAN when I buy chips! Fortunately I never have any cashmere so I guess I’m safe there.
Ha - well played.

**** you guys, I meant cashouts...😀
04-03-2018 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LifeRebooted
Tracking every cash transaction would require a dedicated team of folks watching the cameras for solely that purpose. Most casinos, including Canterbury, do not have or dedicate those types of resources, especially when there is no reason for them to do so.

Vegas pit bosses roughly keep track of your habits for the purpose of rating play, but that's another story.
You are just incorrect and I wasn’t kidding, if you are curious just ask the supervisor at the cage. I had the same experience as Doug - getting a “nice night” or a “do you ever lose” on a rare several day run good. So I asked how they knew accurately whether I won or lost. Apparently there is a requirement for the “bigger games” (at CP they told me red chip and above) that they log how much a player bough in for and how much they cash out. They have a little paper log book behind the barriers that are on the counter. For an unknown player, they just log a basic description. For a known player like, they log my name. It is a compliance requirement, so as folks have pointed out there are tons of flaws in the process, but they do log your buying and cash outs and therefore they do know roughly how much you win or lose.
04-03-2018 , 08:09 PM
Well I know they don't do that at CAZ because I get the 'so how much did you win' stupidity when I am cashing out >1k down.
04-03-2018 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by KL03
It's not a tip, it's a gift.
From money that you've earned. Let's just be happy that the IRS isn't pissy about it.

ETA: A gift would not be taxable income unless it exceeds the yearly limit which it will never do from a single player.

Last edited by Howard Beale; 04-03-2018 at 11:08 PM.
04-03-2018 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by holmfries
You are just incorrect and I wasn’t kidding, if you are curious just ask the supervisor at the cage. I had the same experience as Doug - getting a “nice night” or a “do you ever lose” on a rare several day run good. So I asked how they knew accurately whether I won or lost. Apparently there is a requirement for the “bigger games” (at CP they told me red chip and above) that they log how much a player bough in for and how much they cash out. They have a little paper log book behind the barriers that are on the counter. For an unknown player, they just log a basic description. For a known player like, they log my name. It is a compliance requirement, so as folks have pointed out there are tons of flaws in the process, but they do log your buying and cash outs and therefore they do know roughly how much you win or lose.
I feel like this is a CP thing, and not a general casino issue. At Bay101, they have started to track large cashes/buy-ins (anything involving $1k chips+).
04-03-2018 , 11:43 PM
On politics, I thought this was an interesting article on a main indicator of whether someone will hold liberal or conservative political leanings. WP is obviously a liberal site, but I think the article is pretty neutral and not trying to sway you one way or the other.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.205f6091da70
04-03-2018 , 11:51 PM
This is mostly standard procedure to ensure compliance to track potential money laundering. Cash in for more than 5k and youll need to provide id. Cash in for more than 10k and youll need to provide ssn. The limits vary from place to place but its pretty consistent.

Same thing with cashing out. 10k triggers a CTR. Trying to avoid that by structuring your cashouts is worse.
04-03-2018 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
I think people are conflating "the casino keeps track of chips coming in and chips going out" with "the casino correlates the two and matches it to a player."
But none of this matters if you're using table chips to pay for a massage and to tip. This is all a side show.
04-04-2018 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain R
I feel like this is a CP thing, and not a general casino issue. At Bay101, they have started to track large cashes/buy-ins (anything involving $1k chips+).
Haven't they always done that?

The first time I cashed out over $2,500, the cashier asked for my name. I handed her my ID and she just looked befuddled. "Most people just tell me a name," she said while John Cleese yelled WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE in the background.

Another time I cashed out just over $2,500, like $2,505 or something. The cashier was like, "You don't want to keep a $10 chip?" and I was like, "Um, no." And then John Cleese yelled WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE from behind me and I was like ohhhhh that's why.

Canterbury seems way stricter than that, like they're correlating ins and outs. That's actually kind of freaky.
04-04-2018 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
What is “the other side” of “how to make schools safer”?

Someone hit the nail on the head about policies that make people “feel” safer vs actually be safer. If the latter was actually true things would look very very different, but politicians don’t do things for the latter reason because the majority want the former (sometimes subconsciously). Probably most obvious example is the lack of popularity of Obamacare and/or welfare type programs in parts of the country that rely on them heavily.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile....dment.amp.html
04-04-2018 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
Canterbury seems way stricter than that, like they're correlating ins and outs. That's actually kind of freaky.
Indeed, it is, and it seems pretty wasteful too, but maybe it is a MN thing or they have decided that it makes sense for them to do so. Thanks for the info holmfries.
04-04-2018 , 11:35 AM
I cashed out for 1026 last time I played at Canterbury, how come nobody wanted MY autograph?
04-04-2018 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding
I cashed out for 1026 last time I played at Canterbury, how come nobody wanted MY autograph?
They knew you bought in for 5000

oh snap
04-04-2018 , 12:25 PM
^ This is EXACTLY the kind of response I was looking for
04-04-2018 , 07:28 PM
I share zero political affiliation at the moment. I swing to the left on some topics and to the right on others. To blindly follow labels based on what the media tells us to think would be strictly unpatriotic imo.

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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
What is “the other side” of “how to make schools safer”?
I brought up the topic because I thought it was a problem that everyone can agree on. I have no hidden agenda regarding guns nor political motivation. The fact is that at the moment, schools are unsafe for children and young adults. To claim otherwise is strictly ignorant, by my estimation.

Perhaps Aaron is right and this conversation could be much more productive on a local level since every school is different. However, I do believe that it's a problem that will ultimately be solved by having more adult presence on school grounds no matter the capacity nor location.

      
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