Right, that was the problem. It worked on a larger table. I'm surprised that was the reason because the original size that I tried on was reasonably large (for 9 tables tiled on a 30 inch monitor).

hi,

I have been experiencing some issues while playing on WPN (BCP) when using SaT. This problem developed immediately after updating to the 2nd most recent version (most recent being the version that came out a few days ago).

I'm currently playing using only a stacked setup across multiple sites. Problem seems to be that whenever I 4b pre-flop the table doesn't pick up any further action after that point. It's happened I think at least four times and I've timed out in each (normally I manually move around my tables but in these instances I missed it).

Wondering if there is a solution to this issue.

There were some issues with v2.79, you should upgrade to v2.80 and then remove and re-Include "WinningPoker" and run some tests

SaT can't tell when you 4bet or not. So the problem was probably something else. My guess would be if you were facing an all-in after your 4bet. In that case, only the 'fold' and 'allin' buttons would be visible, along with no betbox. Whereas in normal cases, you would have 3 buttons visible: 'fold', 'call', 'bet' and also the betbox visible.

You could test on v2.79 and confirm if thats the problem, then upgrade and re-include and confirm if its fixed

That makes sense. I've updated my SaT. If the issues continues I'll update you.

Thanks

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Hey Greg,

I play on six networks and have them configured correctly and been tiling across all six networks for some time now. I'm now considering using the "stack and tile" function of your program rather than full tile mode.

Networks: PokerStars, Fulltilt, Party, 888, Winning, Ipoker

I have a four monitor setup but really mostly play on the frontal 30 inch monitor. It has 12 dedicated tile spaces.

A couple of questions:

1) I'd like to have the stack slot in slot 13 which sits on a different monitor. What exactly constitutes as a "new table" and "old table"? I noticed when I put "new tables slot" to slot 14 and "old tables slot" to slot 15 that tables don't seem to make their way to my slot 1 slot which is where I thought the grid was suppose to start. They just stay in the "new tables slot" until I play atleast one hand and then get moved to the stack slot. From there they do start rotating into the slot 1, slot 2, rest of grid, etc and back to stack slot, etc. Long story short, where is it best to put the "old table slot" and "new table slot"? The reason I don't love having them allocated to the grid is that when the break periods hit in MTTs they all get moved to the grid and take up the majority of my slots. Hope this all makes sense.

2) How is the "when dealt cards" function in "move to Grid working these days on the networks I listed above? Is it reliable or is "when action required still preferred"?

3) If I was to ever try a stack and tile setup is it possible to use the stackslot for all preflop decisions and have tables move to the grid for postflop and then back to the stack slot for preflop? Does this function as expected?

Thanks in advance.

http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/table-types

If you want tables to start filling in at slot 1 (which is your first grid slot, since your stack slot is 13), then you would use New Tables = "grid", and same for Old Tables. That is the default setting for those, and the one I usually recommend.

Old Tables do pose the problem you cite, that when the break period hits a MTT, the table will probably be detected as Old (no action required in X minutes), and then moved to the grid. You could try keeping New Tables = "grid" and Old Tables = 14, and see if you like that better. Then you can keep a close eye on slot 14 during normal game play, and monitor any tables that are detected as Old to make sure you're not sitting out.

That mode would require preferred seating on every site, to make sure you're always sitting in the same spot, so SaT can find your hole cards. And keep in mind the potential slight differences in seat locations for 6max/9max/etc. Reliability would probably depend most on this
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/preferred-seating

For this, you would use "Move To Grid = After Entering Pot"
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help...o-grid-setting

Tables would return back to the stack as usual, by either clicking Fold or using a "Stack" hotkey

I tried it with different themes and background colors. same issue unfortunately.

how frequently does it occur? can you reproduce it very easily?

What would happen if I instead put new tables = grid, stack slot = 13 but also make the old tables slot = 13

Will they stay in the stack during my breaks but then move again to grid when action is required?

actually I understand I think why you were going with 14 as they are easier to monitor in that slot.

Once action is required on them though will they be moved into the my main spaces that I play on {1 through 12} or will they stay in slot 14 until I make the first action on them?

Yeah. I mean its easy to test. Tables are detected as 'Old' after default of 5 minutes of no action required, but you can change that in Advanced Options.

But I don't recommend leaving Old Tables in the stack, because then if by chance you are sitting out, the table will stay in the stack and you will never see it. I think the minor inconvenience of re-stacking the tables after a break is worth the trade off of not missing many hands due to a sitting out table. Thats the whole purpose of Old Tables. If you don't want to do anything with them you could similarly just set it to slot 0, which means 'do nothing'

Are you talking about New Tables or Old Tables? In both cases though, the tables should stay in slot 14 until you stack them by clicking Fold or using a "Stack" hotkey, or moving them to another slot by dragging or using a hotkey to "Move to next slot".

Hi Greg,

I used stackandtile today in the stack and tile function with "move to grid" set to "when action is required". I set "stack slot" to 13. "Old tables " to 14. "New tables" to grid.

changed Old tables time limit to 8 minutes to fix the MTT break thing. Everything worked pretty good except for my Ipoker table timing out and staying off in the stack. I set everything up as mentioned on your website and have the proper settings turned off. I play on "Titan poker" by the way.

Have you heard of any problems with that client and stack and tile. Do you think it has anything to do with the problem I mentioned earlier in this thread of the ipoker table jumping around when I move tables? Maybe some function in their somewhere controlling where it goes still?

I'd appreciate if you have any ideas. If there is is a stack and tile log file somewhere I'd welcome sending it to you.

Thanks.

Yes that would do it, since breaks are only 5 minutes long. But as I said before, this sort of defeats the purpose of Old Tables, because if you mistakenly time out, you will not notice the table for 8 minutes (the table will not move to your Old Tables slot for 8 minutes)

Old Tables should have picked this up after 8 minutes, and moved it to the Old Tables slot. You can easily test this. Open up one iPoker table. Wait for your turn to act the first time. Take your action. Click "sit out". And put the table in the stack. After your Old Tables Duration (8 minutes) the table should move to your Old Talbes slot

I don't exactly remember the issue. But yeah it would depend what happens when you "get moved to a new table" during a tournament. Usually, I would just guess that the table gets re-detected as "New", and then it would move to your New Tables slot setting

Hope that makes sense

Hey Greg,

I was more interested on what caused the Ipoker table to time out in the first place. It should have been moved to the grid and allowed me to make an action on it but somehow got stuck in the stack. That's what I think happened at least. It was going to and from the stack for awhile until I started to not see it as often and was curious and checked the stack and low and behold it had timed out. All other sites seemed to function as expected to function.

There was one thing to note. Say I play out a hand to showdown or win the hand postflop. That table stays in the grid until I later make a fold on that table, right? That's what I recall at least. Sometimes I would click the advanced action fold check box on some of these tables and they would continue to stay in the grid until I eventually clicked an actual fold button. I guess my question here is, is there a way to make them move out of the grid and back to the stack in any way other than clicking the fold button? I guess I could set up a hotkey for this action?

One last question. I read that stuff about preferred seating for the "move tables to grid when cards are dealt". It talks about clicking on the "whites" of the cards when setting up the pokersites. I use a lot of four colored or modded four colored decks. A lot of them don't have any white on them. Can I still set up this function with those types of decks?

Hi.

When I tried stack and tile mode with William Hill I did not get problems you described so maybe it has something to do with Titan.

Yes you can set up hotkeys like "Fold + Stack table" or just "Stack table" and looks like you use your mouse for navigating tables so don`t forget in advanced options under hotkeys tab to tick - Send hotkeys to - Table under mouse.

Also if you set up "Fold + Stack table" choose some hotkey you will not use for writing notes because 100% you will have a lot misclicks in 1st days and fold hands you do not want to. Also with "Fold + Stack table" you can click advanced action fold check boxes.
Or just use "Stack table".

Also don`t forget to set up "Disable Hotkeys" so you can write notes while playing or able to talk about deals or whatever if you put "Fold + Stack table"/"Stack table" to "A" "space" or some key you will be using often as you will not be able to use that key for writing and SaT will send your tables to stack all the time.

Not SaT support but hope this helps.
GL

Yeah, its possible if for some reason all of your grid slots were full, and then this table was still in the stack and required action. In that case, it should pop to the top of the stack. But if you already had other tables at the top of the stack also needing action, then perhaps you could have timed out.

I'm not exactly sure how else it would get timed out. Did you notice that you were overwhelmed maybe with too many tables occupying your grid?

Yeah exactly, you would use the "Fold+Stack" hotkey to accomplish that

Also see Steamy Kangaroo's advice above

Yes you can. But there are some things to consider. If you click on the ? in the software during Include Site setup when it asks for this, you would be taken to this page:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help...-and-hole-card

In summary, just click on a solid color of the card that will always remain solid. But if one of the suits are green, and the felt behind the cards are green as well (or black suit + black felt), then that may cause conflicts. So you would want to make sure that its always distinct

I am very grateful for your additions. I always like when users attempt to help other users and offer suggestions for possible ways to use the software. Thanks a lot.

Yes. Thank you Steamy Kangaroo and Greg. I forgot to check back here until today.

Stack and tile and Titan poker were working great today. I think the problem that might have caused my timeout the other day was me playing it from the stack. I think I may have clicked the fast fold or whatever you call it check box while it was on the top of the stack after a break and then it might have got buried in the stack and never made it back to the grid. I found myself all most making a similar mistake today post a break period.

Anyway, I'll have to learn to ignore the table at the top of that stack at least when considering hitting advance action check boxes.

Thanks again for the help.

Hi greg, you have a PM

Hrmmm, well what you describe shouldn't really be an issue. If you click the advanced action fold checkbox, then SaT shouldn't really do anything until the next hand when its your turn to act again. I don't think this would be an issue. But keep an eye on it

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Is possibile to config 2 S&T and run them at the same time?
My goal is to have PS tables with one size and the other site which I want to play (Lottomatica) with another size. Is it doable? If the answer is yes, do I have to buy another license?

Yes its doable and some people have done it before. You can just open another instance of the program. You'll need to use File->New Layout and create another layout for the other instance. Then you would use File->Open Layout and make sure each instance is running its own layout file.

Other things to consider, you'll probably want to use Visualize Grid and make sure that the grid slots don't overlap, or have as little overlap as possible, because separate layouts will only pop up their own tables. So if there is overlap, you could run into focus stealing and misclicks. Also, you'll probably want to set up the same hotkeys in both instances, so you need to use the ~ prefix for all of the keynames for the hotkeys, so that the key won't get overridden and will pass through to the other instance as well. Finally, you'll want to make sure that you don't have the same site included into both instances. Each layout should have its own distinct sites.

I think thats it. You don't need another license

I'd say around 4-6 times an hour. Difficult to give a somewhat accurate ratio on this.
It's actually possible that it only occurs when there are multiple tables awaiting action on the "main" stack.
I'm not sure on this.
SaT might move the table into the grid too soon before the click gets through..

I played a session using the "when action required" layout and everything worked perfectly fine. However that layout gets less efficient the more tables I add..

Full tilt not working since the last ftp software update