I just tested this, and heres the problem: Winamax has two separate checkboxes. One for "check/fold" and another for "fold". These two checkboxes are in different locations. SaT clicks the "check/fold" one currently.

Sorry I worded it wrong 1 table per slot but I have 2 slots in a stack. So there are 2 tables on top of each other.

I have 6 table spaces, 2 slots per space. So that's 12 tables.

Sometimes i want to focus on one table specifically and have it on it own in the stack. So I try to move the table on top of it to another stack but it just swap that table for another and I cannot have 1 table on its own.

Ahhh I understand you now. So you have two slots overlapping each other, to create the illusion of a stack. Well, SaT wasn't exactly designed for this, so you may run into problems such as this one.

As for your exact drag and drop problem, that is a feature of SaT. You can create a new layout just to test this in a simple 3 slot tiled grid with no slots overlapping. Assuming stack slot = 1, when slots 2 and 3 are filled with tables, if you drag one to the other's slot, they will swap positions.

So that is what you are seeing. Since you have two slots overlapped at the same coordinate location on screen, SaT simply tries to swap the table. Probably what you will need to do is use the "Move table to next slot" hotkey, and cycle it through to the correct slot number. Or use a "Move table to slot x#" to move it directly to that spot.

I have some ideas to allow each slot to individually act as another stack, but its a change to the current functionality that I need to think it through carefully and make sure I'm satisfied with how it will work. No timeframe since its a biggish change.

Ok thank il play about with the hot keys and see what I can do. Would there be a better way to use SaT for the 12 table layout I want?

Oh. Have not paid so much attention to checkboxes in Wianamx but I guess "check/fold" one appears only when you are on BB yeah?
Is it hard to change that SaT clicks other checkbox? For me at least that would be more useful.

Thanks. Everything works good.


Got it now. Yesterday was not too long on breaks so don`t know what happens if you are dealt hands on Winamax and sit out.

Also at least for me when I press this hotkey I would like to new tables that pop-up also sit-out until I press hotkey again. Useful when I take longer break and tournament starts already before I come back from break. But probably not a lot of people would use this to justify putting that in SaT and I can live without it also. Just an idea.

Not that I can think of at the moment. Using the hotkeys to move the table will be the best way currently. If/when I get the multiple stacks thing implemented, this will be much easier for you.

The "check/fold" appears whenever you would be able to check in turn. So if your last to act and the flop is dealt, the "check/fold" box would appear until someone in front of you made a bet.

I suppose I could send TWO clicks to both box locations, to ensure that either would be clicked. I don't usually like sending extraneous clicks to the table, just incase something might get misclicked. But I don't believe this should be an issue..

Hrmmm.. interesting idea. I will add it to my concepts file and consider it, but no guarantees.

Hi greg just bought your SaT and i think it's awesome.
But i have a problem with my ipoker tables. When the cards are dealt the table moves to the grid (even when its not my turn to act). When i click my hotkey to fold+stack (advanced fold because its not my turn to act) the table stays in the grid(actually moving instantaniously from grid to stack and back again). The only way to get the table back to the stack is click fold when it is actually my turn to act. This is irritating because that way my grid gets clogged up. This happens on mtt cash and play money tables and a friend who also has SaT has the same problem.
solution imo is only let the table move to grid when its actually my turn to act. (like it works at stars and ftp)

Today i had an other problem when i was 17 tabling(only stars and ftp). Tables didn't move back to grid after folding. stop and restart SaT didn't fix the problem. Totally shutting down Sat and restarting it did fix the problem. This happend twice today and really got me tilted
dont know if the last thing is something in the software or it is because of my computer couldn't handle 17+ tables.

Without those two things i'm very happy with SaT and hope to use it for a long time.

Right. This is a common problem. It is mentioned on the iPoker help page here:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/ipoker

More specific information can be found here:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help...rid-wrong-time

In short, usually the problem is because the advanced action fold checkbox is the same color as the real Fold button, so SaT sees that color and thinks that the Fold button is visible. The best way to get around this is to use a table graphics mod which uses separate colors for the checkboxes and the real buttons.

I assume you mean that tables wouldn't go back to the stack after folding. I'm not sure why restarting SaT would change that. Did you happen to use a "Keep table in grid" hotkey?

Glad to hear it. Hopefully we can get these sorted out.

Ty you for your reaction.
I will try a graphic mod for Ipoker, i understand the problem now.

The 2nd thing i mentioned. I did not use a "Keep in grid" button. It just stopped working. I did use joinme at that moment maybe that has something to do with it, or makes my pc slower so it doesn't work properly anymore. Stop and start SaT didn't help only complete shut down and restart made SaT working normally again.

Hrmmm.. can you test again with joinme and see if the same problem happens?

Were you using a "Fold+Stack" hotkey or simply clicking Fold with your mouse?

I will try it again tomorrow with joinme and let you know.
I was using fold+stack hotkey that didn't work, then tried just clicking fold and that didn't work either. It didn't happen my whole session just 2 times. There was a certainly more then a hour of playing with joinme on where i didn't have any problem. Then few new tourneys started and the totall was 17+ tourney's and it happend i think twice in 20 minutes. After that is busted some tourneys and the problem didn't occur anymore. When it happend i know my computer had it hard to process everything because my mouse was also lagging a bit that time.

In SaT's Advanced Options, what Scan Mode are you using?

v2.68

http://www.stackandtile.com/forum/sh...d=4164#pid4164

http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/

DWM

Ok that is SaT's fastest mode. Perhaps the problem was with joinme or with another software such as PT/HEM that is bogging your computer down.

Tried recreating the problem today but it didn't happen. Lets hope it was just a one thime thing.
Thanks for your help

Hi greg

Have a new issue with winamax, as you can see in this picture:



I can't resize winamax tables anymore, it overlaps and if I want to make it smaller it totally spazzes out and goes from small to huge.. might have a video to show that process

thanks for looking into it

hey,
interesting software. just seen this and the table optimizer also. whats the advantage to table optimizer or tn2 SNT has to offer?
since im playing hu at the same time as 6 max and fr, is it possible to set hu tables ALWAYS aside and also hands with pot > xbb for example?
thnx

SaT has always prevented you from resizing tables while its running. If you try, SaT will resize it back.

But, there was a change in the most recent version, as to how Winamax tables are sized. Before, SaT allowed Winamax tables to be unproportional to the site's native scaling. This caused SaT to incorrectly calculate the coordinate locations for some buttons. Now, SaT requires the tables to match Winamax's built in scaling (that you would see when you resize a table with your mouse). SaT attempts to click and drag the table when it resizes, and if you don't allow this to happen, then you may notice it spaz. Try not to move your mouse. I can try to make this more reliable in the next version

Unfortunately, what this means is that if you play on multiple sites, you will end up with some site's tables being different sizes than others, and not matching the slot size exactly. This is an unavoidable consequence of different sites scaling their tables differently. You can try this yourself without SaT: resize a Winamax and Pokerstars table with your mouse, and try to have them overlap exactly. You won't be able to do it.

Now that I've given the technical reason, here's somewhat of a solution. Other sites aren't as strict with their table redrawing, so you may have a better experience basing your SaT layout on the Winamax size. Create a new layout with File->New Layout, and when it asks you to press F7, first resize a Winamax table with your mouse, and use this table for the F7. Then include your sites and hotkeys as normal. Now your SaT grid slot size will match exactly the Winamax table size, so this site will always fit and not overlap. Other sites may or may not fit, it will depend on how strict their table scaling is.

I can only guess the advantages, because I don't know those softwares specifically. Probably the major advantage is that SaT works on all poker sites, where as TO only works on Stars and TN2 only on Stars and FTP. This allows SaT to handle all of your sites and hotkeys with one program.

Yeah, Just move your HU tables into whatever slot location you want, and then use a "Keep table in grid" hotkey, and then the table will be locked in place and never move.

Unfortunately this cannot be done

My Norton 360 alarmed me on Stack and Tile at starting it, is that normal?

I can't see the image, but it doesn't really matter.

Its normal for you to be concerned. Especially as a poker player where you are playing for lots of money. Unfortunately many anti virus companies do not have perfect detection mechanisms, and sometimes programs like SaT get reported incorrectly. If you don't believe me or don't trust me, thats fine. This software has been available for a few years now with many regular users. If I were hacking people, someone would have said something by now.

See this page:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help...alse-positives

My suggestion is that you should email Norton, or submit the file at their page here:
https://submit.symantec.com/false_positive/

If you hear anything from them be sure to come back and post.

v 2.69

http://www.stackandtile.com/forum/sh...d=4246#pid4246

http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/

If you are experiencing any problems in this new version, please remove and re-Include the problem sites first, and re-test before posting.

Some questions from PM:

Oh, I thought you said the problem was on Party. On iPoker, the problem is probably due to the chatbox. If the chatbox is open/half/closed, it moves the buttons towards the center. You need to make sure the chatbox is visible if you are using the "iPoker" site, or not visible if you are using "iPoker_noChat". This is described on the help page:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/ipoker


If an idle table is forcing focus, then SaT thinks this idle table requires action. Take note of which site this happens on, because thats likely the problem. From the screenshot, my guess is that iPoker is the problem, because your skin has the fold/call/bet buttons as dark gray in color, and its nearly the same color as the table background behind the buttons. So SaT sees the dark gray color, and thinks 'action is required'.

Run the test described on this page to verify (do it on all sites to be sure):
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help...not-stay-stack

If that turns out to be the problem, theres not much you can do other than change skins, or change the graphics of your table (as is suggested on the iPoker help page).