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06-20-2012 , 09:01 AM
I have been using HEM1 and tried the PT4 just now.. I installed it, imported hands and finished set-up everything.
When I checked the graph for this year, the graph which showed up was wrong. (I have double-checked all filters, setting etc. Everything is right.)
I have played 828 games and have lost 41$ (This is the correct graph which HEM shows.). But the graph PT4 showed 823 games and have lost 323$ (which is wrong).
How do I set the graph right? Do I have to manually check each tournament and modify the buy-in? (This can't be done obv.).
I play on merge . (Black chip poker). I play Double-or-nothing Sngs.
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06-20-2012 , 12:12 PM
Vish,

I replied to your thread on our forums about this topic. Let's keep things there so that we don't clutter up the thread and we can keep all of your information in one place. Thanks!
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06-20-2012 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kraada
Vish,

I replied to your thread on our forums about this topic. Let's keep things there so that we don't clutter up the thread and we can keep all of your information in one place. Thanks!
Sure I will follow..
Btw, I wen't through all the videos on PT4 and used most of the features of PT4..
=> I have found that it has the equivalent of SnG Wizard+ Note Caddy+ Leak Buster integrated inside PT4..
=> My question is if I purchase a license for PT4 (Just poker tracker) , can I use all these features along with it without paying any extra or should I shell out separately for these like when I buy HEM2 for 80$ , I have to buy Sng wiz for 100$, leak buster for some more $$s and so on?

=> Also PT4 is very slow in the PT4 software, while filtering and viewing data and so on (but no lag in the HUD/tables )
I'm about to buy a desktop PC and I want to go for the config that will run PT4 in a flash . Right now I use a laptop with Core2duo 1.6Ghz , 4GB ram.
=> Will having PT4 installed in a Solid State Drive make any difference in the performance ? Plz give me a recommended config here or PM me , as I don't want my new comp to be slow while using PT4.

=> Also Having both HEM1 and PT4 installed at the same time (Just installed not running at the same time) cause any problem/slow down the performance of PT4?
=> In HEM, for Sngs, I can right click on a hand and "Analyze using SNG Wizard", (See whether I should have folded or pushed a hand and whether I played it correctly )
Does PT4 have a similar option? I used the ICM quiz and found it to be way better than SNG Wizard but a bit slow. Can I analyze a hand I played? I can't find this option anywhere.

Last edited by VISH MASTER; 06-20-2012 at 01:43 PM.
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06-21-2012 , 07:27 AM
EDIT : I found whether a PUSH 0r FOLD is right or wrong. But it does'nt ibe me a hand range for pushing like SNG wiz does. (Or I can't find it).
In ICM Eval Results window.. there is some stuff ( too complicated for me to understand). DOn't know whether it's the same.
Any help is welcome
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06-21-2012 , 08:49 AM
Also I used ICM quiz for 10 man DONs. There is always 1 person all-in, for PUSH/FOLD, I can't find an option to shove first-in , so that I can test my ICM shoving skill. How do I change this?
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06-21-2012 , 01:17 PM
What is the % stat in replayer window?

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06-21-2012 , 05:40 PM
Is the adjusted ROI stat based on the icm of your bust out hand?
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06-22-2012 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by VISH MASTER
Also I used ICM quiz for 10 man DONs. There is always 1 person all-in, for PUSH/FOLD, I can't find an option to shove first-in , so that I can test my ICM shoving skill. How do I change this?
I just did an ICM Quiz for 10 player DONs and I saw some hands where I had the option to open - these will come up somewhat less often for DON-10s since there are more players involved by default, but you should see some. How many quizzes have you done?

--WhiteRider
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06-22-2012 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Makemegood
What is the % stat in replayer window?

That is your equity in the hand, given the other known hole cards still involved in the hand.
If opponent hole cards aren't shown then all remaining hands are treated as random hands for this purpose.

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Is the adjusted ROI stat based on the icm of your bust out hand?
It is based on the ICM of all of your all-in hands through the tournament.

--WhiteRider
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06-22-2012 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerTracker
I just did an ICM Quiz for 10 player DONs and I saw some hands where I had the option to open - these will come up somewhat less often for DON-10s since there are more players involved by default, but you should see some. How many quizzes have you done?

--WhiteRider
Its weird how I played more than 100 hands yesterday in the quiz and did'nt even find one spot to push, but I loaded the quiz now and the 1st hand I'm about to open

Also I think there should be an option like "First-in", "1 player all-in", etc when creating the quiz. (In the quiz type beginning window). This is very important.

Also the quiz takes 5+ secs inbetween hands and I find it too be too slow. (Maybe it's my comp), but I want to know how to fasten the performance of PT4, since I have only <1000 games in the database right now and I play full time so will have a lot more in the future.
Does it depend on the computer's processor speed or RAM or graphic card or hard drive? Will having PT4 and the database in a solid state drive reduce the PT4 response time (in quiz, showing data after filtering,etc)?


And I tried to configure the mucked hands. The mucked hands showed to like 22s,33s,44s, etc.. What am I supposed to do next?? Sorry I don't have a clue how to do this..
Also I can do this only while I'm playing in a real money table right?

Thanks.

Last edited by VISH MASTER; 06-22-2012 at 07:20 AM.
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06-23-2012 , 04:19 AM
I'll pass on your request for those kind of options in the quiz.

Performance is very dependent on your computer - processor, RAM and hard-disk all have a significant effect (graphics less so). We've heard some really positive things from people who have tried SSDs, but I don't have any experience of them personally.

'Configure mucked hands' is to allow you to position where the hole cards shown after showdown hands are displayed. You can reposition them by control-dragging as you do the normal on-table stats.
Positions are saved by site and table type, so you'll need to do it at the type of table you're normally playing (although the stake doesn't matter of course).

--WhiteRider
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06-23-2012 , 07:01 AM
Can I configure mucked cards in the hand replayer window? I see there is an option and cards show from AA,22,33,44,55,etc and so on. I don't know what it is for or what to do next..
I tried clicking and dragging the mucked cards while playing, but still the next time they are again placed wrong.
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06-23-2012 , 07:37 AM
Mucked cards are not shown in the Hud in the Replayer as all known hole cards are shown directly in the Replayer at the end of the hand (or you can see all players' hole cards via the Options button).

--WhiteRider
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06-23-2012 , 01:02 PM
about the anonymous tables on microgaming:

is it possible to reset session stats when a player leaves and new one sits down?

and is it possible to filter the database to see only hands played at those tables?

thank you!
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06-23-2012 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by VISH MASTER
Can I configure mucked cards in the hand replayer window? I see there is an option and cards show from AA,22,33,44,55,etc and so on. I don't know what it is for or what to do next..
I tried clicking and dragging the mucked cards while playing, but still the next time they are again placed wrong.
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Originally Posted by PokerTracker
Mucked cards are not shown in the Hud in the Replayer as all known hole cards are shown directly in the Replayer at the end of the hand (or you can see all players' hole cards via the Options button).

--WhiteRider
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Originally Posted by FatKing85
about the anonymous tables on microgaming:

is it possible to reset session stats when a player leaves and new one sits down?

and is it possible to filter the database to see only hands played at those tables?

thank you!
We don't have an anonymous only filter, but this can be done in a slightly different way

1) Filtering for Microgaming ONLY hands
2) Filter to the day you need to view (if necessary)
2) Use Overview: by Session report and order the sessions so you see the anonymous sessions all in a row.

HUD reset is on our agenda list to do, we do not know when it will be added however - so much to do, so little time!

- TT
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06-24-2012 , 08:12 AM
I'd like to see how often BB raises when the action is folded to the SB and the SB decides to open-limp. PT4 doesnt seem to have such stat.

Any help would be appreciated!
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06-24-2012 , 11:34 AM
I would like to know a couple of things if anyone would be able to help

I am unable to get the EV line for tournament games (its greyed out) I used to use this with HM and i have seen people post pictures with it activated so not sure why i cant use it?

Also is it possible to filter HUD stats based on stack sizes?

And what is the SB limp stat named?

Thank you
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06-24-2012 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PlsFold
I'd like to see how often BB raises when the action is folded to the SB and the SB decides to open-limp. PT4 doesnt seem to have such stat.

Any help would be appreciated!
Please post your request in the forums on the PokerTracker website where we'll be able to build it for you as a custom stat.

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Originally Posted by danjef
I would like to know a couple of things if anyone would be able to help

I am unable to get the EV line for tournament games (its greyed out) I used to use this with HM and i have seen people post pictures with it activated so not sure why i cant use it?
That option is disabled for some graph settings - try changing the Graph For setting and the option should be enabled.

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Also is it possible to filter HUD stats based on stack sizes?
Not yet, but I'm told this is planned.

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And what is the SB limp stat named?
There isn't a specific stat for this - you can display any stat for any position in the Hud by setting the 'Position' property.


--WhiteRider
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06-24-2012 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by danjef
I would like to know a couple of things if anyone would be able to help

I am unable to get the EV line for tournament games (its greyed out) I used to use this with HM and i have seen people post pictures with it activated so not sure why i cant use it?

True EV cannot be calculated because we would need to calculate expected value vs an opponents range of hands, therefore this stat has been renamed Net Equity Adjusted Winnings (this is called Overlay Net Adjusted in the Tournament graph). Net Adjusted Winnings is only visible in the Personal results graph when you are graphing for Hands Played, but you can choose to show the winnings in Prizes, Big Blinds, or Chips. Alternatively you can see Net Adjusted Winnings from the Overview reports under Results & statistics by checking the ADJ checkbox on the upper right hand side of the graph.

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Originally Posted by danjef
Also is it possible to filter HUD stats based on stack sizes?
We are working on adding effective stack size filtering right now, we needed to delay implementing this until just before the commercial launch because the database structure needed to be finalized first, there are many issues with live filtering that affects the size of the cache so it was best to wait until the end of development before adding this.

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And what is the SB limp stat named?
We have very few stats which are specific to position because position is a property that is available for all stats in PT4, therefore you would use the Preflop Limp stat, and assign the position to Small Blind.

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Originally Posted by PlsFold
I'd like to see how often BB raises when the action is folded to the SB and the SB decides to open-limp. PT4 doesnt seem to have such stat.
We use the Limp with Previous Limpers stat, with the positional property set to BB to measure when the BB raises when there are previous limpers. This works perfectly for Heads Up play, but I admit it is not ideal for games where your playing full ring because this will include scenarios where the CO and button limped, SB folded, and BB raised. We left out the raise BB vs SB limp stat because it is mostly only needed in HU play, we found that it is rarely used in full ring games; therefore we intended to add this as a custom stat as soon as requested for the rare ring player who needs this. We should have the custom stat available this week for you, one of us will post in this thread as soon as it is uploaded.

- TT

(note - I just noticed that WhiteRider answered the same questions before I did, sorry for the duplicate responses. Although our methods of answering questions is different, we both have the same results).
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06-25-2012 , 06:05 PM
not sure but i couldnt find it for now in this topic. I dont get any HUD on ongame. the first few seconds it works then it shuts off.. any solution for this?
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06-25-2012 , 06:52 PM
I am considering switching from HEM to PT4 as I totally dislike HEM2. But from what I understand, PT4 is lacking the "vs hero" stats that are available in HEM2 which is a bit of deal breaker for me. Do you have any plans to add those in the near future?
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06-25-2012 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rh300487
not sure but i couldnt find it for now in this topic. I dont get any HUD on ongame. the first few seconds it works then it shuts off.. any solution for this?
This can be a side effect of the OnGame tables, the HUD may fall behind the table (this is due to the Z axis of the table taking precedence over the Z axis of the HUD). Usually all you need to do is click the table's menu bar, and "shake" it, the HUD will be placed on top once again. If this doesn't help, please let us know.

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Originally Posted by Xela
I am considering switching from HEM to PT4 as I totally dislike HEM2. But from what I understand, PT4 is lacking the "vs hero" stats that are available in HEM2 which is a bit of deal breaker for me. Do you have any plans to add those in the near future?
Vs Hero stats sound great in marketing, but in reality they add very little to the playing experience, and in fact they could be quite misleading and provide wrong information due to the lack of positional data. In reality you are better suited using By Position stats and Vs Position stats. For example, say a villain has been 3 betting you relentlessly when they have the button and you are in the CO... but in the next session the villain who is position aware is in the BB and rarely 3Bets. When most people are 3betting lite frequently vs you it is really because of position, table texture, and possibly what they think is an exploitable weakness (aka you fold to 3bets too much).

Long story short, we could include vs hero stats, but we chose not to because they are too misleading and result in bad habits. In the PT4 ecosystem you can use by position stats ( 3bet from Button %) combined with vs position stats (3Bet from Button vs CO %) which are much more accurate than vs Hero stats. This is one of the really good things about PokerTracker... we are always honest with our users. We know that some people just won't believe us when we explain that statistically vs Hero stats are flawed, and we know that for those people the lack of vs Hero stats might be a deal breaker - and we accept that. We do 't mind losing those sales, we think it is better to right and provide accurate solutions to our customers.

We hope this explanation lets you look at PT4 with an open mind and that you try our recommendation of using vs position and by position stats instead, but if you are insistant that you need vs Hero stats than I'm afraid that PT4 probably isn't the best choice for you. Good luck, no matter which choice, we hope you make the right decision for your play!

- TT
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06-25-2012 , 08:50 PM
Does anyone know how to properly use the Hand range models? Are we supposed to plug in a certain percentage there?
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06-25-2012 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Marty25
Does anyone know how to properly use the Hand range models? Are we supposed to plug in a certain percentage there?
PS: When should we expect updated instructional video for the new BETA SW??
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06-25-2012 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Marty25
Does anyone know how to properly use the Hand range models? Are we supposed to plug in a certain percentage there?
A model defines a percentage range of hands. For example the top 6% of a players range using the Poker Stove Model (which is really called Hand vs 3 Randoms) is 88+,ATs+,AKo. Change the Hand Range Model to Sklansky-Karlson and you will find that the range now consists of 88+,AJs+,AQo+. Models allow you to mimik player types and tendencies, this way you can type in just a percentage of the range, and the equity calculator will automatically create the range for you based on the weighting of each possible hand in the model. For example, I created a polarized 3Bet range model which balances Nut and Air hands equally - 6% range using this custom model is QQ+,AKs,52s+,42s+,32s,AKo,54o (the model can only calculate the top 10% of a polarized hand range). Models are selected anytime you get to use an Equity calculator (this includes ICM calculations).



The definition of your own Hand Range Models is a very advanced topic. Essentially what you do is chose a hand (or hands), and adjust the weighting. You can view weighting either by percentage where 0.5 is the strongest part of the range, 100% is the entire range. Alternatively you can display and adjust each hand by weight, when the weighting is 0 for the strongest part of the range, to 167 for the weakest part of the range.

In the example below, 54s weighted less than AKo but is stronger than JJ - this is an attempt to show a fairly balanced range of air hands such as 54s to nut valued hands such as AKo


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Originally Posted by Marty25
PS: When should we expect updated instructional video for the new BETA SW??
Many new tutorial videos were added last week, the addition of videos is one of the final steps as pre prepare for commercial release. We have close to 40 videos already included in PT4, we have around 16 left to be completed (rough guess).

- TT
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