Ok, at this speed it will take 24hrs to convert my PT3 DB. What are you guys doing, saving the HHs as text files and parse them again?

Also, when you write "Extracting hand n of m" at 1000 hands a second this gives the user a false sense that it will be finished soon - until it starts writing "Importing hand n of m" at 500 hands a minute.

If this is the wrong forum for this stuff please point me somewhere else.

If you downloaded PokerTracker from our site then there is nothing to worry about and this is a false-positive due to the anti-piracy package that we use.

I suggest contacting your anti-virus company and provide them with the file so that they can test it and get the false-positive fixed.

If you want peace of mind, you can upload the file to VirSCAN.org or Virus Total which tests the uploaded file against many different virus scan definitions.

Best regards,

Derek

Thanks for the confirmation. Gone ahead and restored it.

This is possible because for tournaments we use ICM (the Independent Chip Model) to calculate what your luck adjusted winnings are. There are cases where your expectation is positive in chips but negative in dollars according to the model, especially around the bubble.

In this model a single chip has different values in terms of dollars depending on the size of your stack and the number of players around you - it is not worth the same for every single chip.

A simple way to see this in the PT4 ICM Calculator is to create a 9 player 50/30/20 SnG with a buyin of 10 + 1 and starting chips of 1500. Have 3 players left with chip stacks of 6000, 4500 and 3000. You'll see the expectation according to ICM to be $33.14, $30.26 and $26.60 respectively. Now you can clearly see that the chips have different values - 6000 - 4500 = 1500 and 4500 - 3000 = 1500, but 33.14 - 30.26 = 2.88 and 30.26 - 26.60 = 3.66.

The chips are worth more when you have a shorter stack than when you have a larger stack.

Since 1 chip does not always equal the same fraction of a dollar, these graphs do not need to look all that close to one another.

This is an odd concept to wrap your mind around - it took me a while when I was first introduced to it. Please play around with our ICM Calculator and ICM Quiz and hopefully it will help you get more comfortable with it.

Also I'd just like to add that we have been moving away from using the term "EV" - we cannot truly calculate your expected value without having detailed range information for your opponents. We can adjust your winnings based on what we actually saw but since we don't know real pushing ranges, "EV" is not truly an accurate term here.

Extraction takes the hand histories and stores them in files that can be prepared prior to import into the database.

We will eventually add a video which explains the conversion process. First we extract the hands from the old database, then we store the hands in the new database. On the bright side for most people this process will only happen once, from that point on it is smooth sailing! As I am sure you can see why, we advise people perform any large database conversions when they have downtime since this is such a time consuming process.

This is the right thread on 2+2, but you may be better served by posting questions on the PokerTracker Support Forums. You will find the link in the community page holder in PokerTracker 4.

The question is, how are these files structured? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you have a) legacy code that extracts hands from a pt3 database to PT3's internal format, b) new code that takes a hand in a different internal format and stores it in a pt4 database. So all that's missing is some code that converts one internal format to another one. I can't imagine why the whole conversion could possibly take so long.

Ok, thanks.

The database schema has changed, therefore we found the process easiest to extract the raw hand history and then re-import to populate the database fields and perform the new calculations needed such as ICM, All-In Equity, and other time consuming database requirements such as automated creation of the cache during import. This process must be done for HEM conversions as well (note we can convert both HEM and HM2 databases). Our method is a proven one that has years worth of solid code to assure it will work without error, plus it is the path of least resistance that allows us to deliver PT4 to you now - rather than wait a few more months while a new translation layer is built and tested. Additionally the difference in time saved would be not be great enough to devote the resources needed to build the translation layer you proposed.

Hope this answers your question - if you would like an answer with greater detail then feel free to submit a tech support request on our forum, we can get a developer to answer in greater detail once they are free.

Ok, thanks for the explanation.

that's cool, but I play HU SnG only 2-man (i shoulve mentioned it earlier), therefore no icm is necessary any other explanation? Thank you

Thank you for the clarification.

ICM can be used in heads up tournaments though we agree in a winner take all heads up format the information you want is very different than in other types of tournaments.

Our lead tournament developer wrote a particularly well thought out post on this exact topic that you can find here.

We are also aware of a particular issue relating to the graphs you are describing that affects only heads up single table tournaments which was isolated earlier today and is fixed for the next release and will likely make things look better for you.

So far I am loving PT4, I am most likely going to purchase PT4 ASAP. With this in mind is there going to be a gap between the end of the beta and the release of the final product? Am I going to have to go back to HEM for X weeks after the beta is finished?

Is there an option for rakeback line on graph?

Thanks again

There will be no gap, we will go straight from beta to commercial release. Additionally we will give all beta testers some time to purchase, we would not cut you off - we love our testers!

As for Rakeback, that is a very sticky topic for tracking software, we have yet to see a method of implementation that was 100% accurate - and we always strive for accuracy. If you only play on one site, only cash games or only tournaments, then rakeback is fairly easy to calculate and graph (provided that its not a complicated rakeback system like Essence from Ongame). But rakeback calculation gets very hard to track automatically when you are playing on multiple networks and mixing tournaments with cash games. Its also hard to track manually because we do not know where to assign the rakeback or bonus - does it go on a cash game graph, or on a tournament graph? With that said this is on our radar, we have been discussing this internally for a long time and hope that we will provide a solution for PT4. But I don't want to get anyone's hopes up - this probably won't be included before the commercial release of PT4.

thanks

How? In HU SNG cEV=$EV.

Which is exactly what the model will tell you - I didn't say it's particularly useful

If you plug in some numbers to our calculator you'll see the numbers will work out exactly as you say. If the model failed, they would not do so.

We just discovered a minor bug that affects users who use the Cyrillic alphabet, therefore we decided to halt the Beta Preview giveaway until we can release a fix that addresses this issue. We expect the fix tomorrow, along with a fix for Microgaming support. Keep watching - we will be giving away more Beta Preview licenses as soon as the fix is available!

I set up my hud settings, how do i get it to appear on my current tables

Make sure you have the Get Hands From Site While Playing box selected in the Play Poker/Configure/Import Configuration/Site Configuration panel and then click Get Hands While Playing.

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Those Beta release, are they Windows only?
Thx

Yes. The Mac version will not be available until shortly after the commercial Windows release. We'll do an entirely separate beta period for Mac.

Best regards,

Derek

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Missed my beta bcause i didnt have to check in this topic every time because it would be clear when it will be... sigh...

You didn't really miss anything, more will be made available tomorrow. We stopped because we found a bug that needed to be fixed first.

- TT

COOL! Looking forward to it!

I don't know whether to be happy or sad that Kraada's advanced HUD is not included.

Mostly sad I guess, since I'm too lazy to build such a thing myself.