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06-09-2014 , 03:01 PM
PokerTracker 4.11.7 - OUT NOW

Release Notes - June 9, 2014

New:
  • HUD: partypoker: 5-Max table layouts added to support new partypoker tables
Changed
  • Active Player List: Capped the number of players in Active Player drop down list to 300 to improve performance
  • Database: Management: Change order of Housekeeping menu options to encourage users to start with Reindexing, before progressing to Cluster, and then finish with Vacuum & Analyze
  • Database: PostgreSQL: When default database tuning definition settings are revised, the user is now prompted to update PostgreSQL Tuning
  • GUI: Adjust window positions and sizes to fit inside the desktop space when windows are too large for the current monitor
  • Stats: Add column names restrictions to 54 characters or less
Fixed
  • HUD: 888poker: SnapPoker: Fix bug that interfered with displaying hero stats at Snap Poker tables
  • HUD: GTech: Address issues with tournament table detection, and prevent HUD table selector from detecting all windows as GTech Tournament tables
  • Community: Prevent crashes when required “locales pak" is missing
  • Community: Allow the browser to detect the tab and enter keys
  • Database: Cache: Allow the first hand imported in a new session to be included in the cache update **
  • Database: Cache: Address a cache error that will occur when custom columns use the ‘_hand_player_combinations’ table
  • Database: Cache: Address a cache error that will occur when custom columns use the ‘lookup_hole_cards’ table
  • Database: Cache: Improve the Cache Update functions for users of previous 4.11.x releases
  • Filters: Improve the Holdem filter for ‘Both Streets Any Open-Ended/Double Gutshot Draw’
  • Filters: Improve the ‘Raised All-In’ Filter by further restricting triggers for all-in detection
  • Graphs: Fix a crash that occurred when using the stats drop-down option in Overlay Stats or Show Information
  • GUI: Address lock ups that could occur after the splash screen loads on a single core processor
  • GUI: Prevent lockups caused by excessive import status messages
  • Hand History Visualizer: 888poker: SnapPoker: Fix big that interfered with the display of the Hand History Visualizer at Snap Poker tables.
  • ICM Quiz: Fixed a bug that caused an empty table to appear after running the quiz if the Terms of Service Violation dialog was displayed
  • Stats: Fix the stat description in ‘Raise F Float Bet’ to respect raises, not folds
  • Stats: Improve the conversion of ‘cash_limit’ and ‘tourney_blinds’ tables when importing HUD profiles to be in compliance with recent cache improvements rolled out since 4.11.x
  • Stats: Fix formula error in theTournament "Length Player" stat that was introduced in 4.11 *

Additional Notes:
* This update will only affect newly imported hands, to apply this change retroactively please re-import any hand that would be affected by this issue.

ATTENTION: A database update is required if you are installing PokerTracker 4.11.x for the first time, please allow this update to be completed. If you have a large database then please postpone installation of 4.11.7 until your session is complete to avoid interfering with your playing schedule. Please be aware that if this database update is canceled or bypassed PokerTracker 4.11.7 will not work properly until a cache rebuild is manually executed.
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06-09-2014 , 06:14 PM
Is there an easy way for me too add a rakeback line to my graph?
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06-09-2014 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mattb7755
Is there an easy way for me too add a rakeback line to my graph?
Tracking rakeback with any accuracy is not easy anymore because the calculations are rarely known. There are only a handful of sites that publish their rakeback calculation methods in a way that be tracked, years ago it was very easy to track rakeback but now in most situations all we have is an estimate.. accuracy is almost impossible.

First step is to tell us what site you want to track, and then we can explain how to do it - and what the limitations are.

- TT
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06-09-2014 , 08:36 PM
Is it possible to only have the ev line on poker tracker graphs? And does pt4 have a sync or cloud system like hm2 so you can easily have one database over a couple of computers? I have to upgrade from HM 1 and don't like HM 2 so am considering this.

cheers.
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06-09-2014 , 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by reddev
Is it possible to only have the ev line on poker tracker graphs? And does pt4 have a sync or cloud system like hm2 so you can easily have one database over a couple of computers? I have to upgrade from HM 1 and don't like HM 2 so am considering this.

cheers.
Probability law says that EV cannot be calculated without a variable. If we apply the concept of EV to poker this means we need a static number (your hand value) as well as a random variable (your opponents hand range). A Tracker cannot predict your opponent's hand range, therefore it cannot actually calculate EV - instead we calculate something that is similar to EV but it is not the same whenever there are all-in pots and we know the hands of all players where the all-in occurred - this is called All-In Equity Adjusted Winnings. All-In Equity is not the same thing as EV, but its important to note that neither EV or all-in Equity can be used to measure luck because luck cannot be calculated when there is a skill decision - both are only measurements of expectation.

Therefore:
  • The "EV line" is not EV... it is All-In Equity, adjusted by the size of your winnings and losses
  • Showing the All-In Equity line by itself would not benefit you, and on a related note if EV could be calculated then there would be no benefit is showing that by itself as well. Even though there is no benefit, you can do this if you so desire by right clicking the graph to change the widths of any line displayed
  • Any other use of the term "EV" is a misnomer, this is ver common mistake that is made by even the best players - we believe in telling our users the truth about EV even if its not the popular belife.

PS: We do not have a cloud option at this time, but we do provide methods for players to sync their databases across two computers here: https://www.pokertracker.com/guides/...-two-computers

- TT
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06-10-2014 , 03:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMVP
Posted in PT forum too:

HUD is not working at all for new players with no previous hands.

Making it really hard to play guys!

Every update = new problem.

Let's just go back to 4.1 or whatever, was working fine!
FYI: Still having this problem, but only on iPoker (PLO).

Using version 4.11.6 but don't want to update to the latest yet as everything else is working smoothly.
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06-10-2014 , 05:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMVP
FYI: Still having this problem, but only on iPoker (PLO).

Using version 4.11.6 but don't want to update to the latest yet as everything else is working smoothly.
We cannot duplicate your problem, iPoker import appears to be working correctly at PLO tables. Please upgrade to 4.11.7, then if the problem continues create a support ticket - include logs and hands for a sample session where this occurred. We want all users to be on 4.11.7 before we start to perform any support, that is the "golden" release version at this time.

- TT
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06-10-2014 , 09:03 AM
hey Im trying to add "fold bb to steal from sb" stat, I can see fold to steal --> position and I can choose bb, but I need it just against sb, tyty
also thx for the other thing about the power outage
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06-10-2014 , 09:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerTracker
Probability law says that EV cannot be calculated without a variable. If we apply the concept of EV to poker this means we need a static number (your hand value) as well as a random variable (your opponents hand range). A Tracker cannot predict your opponent's hand range, therefore it cannot actually calculate EV - instead we calculate something that is similar to EV but it is not the same whenever there are all-in pots and we know the hands of all players where the all-in occurred - this is called All-In Equity Adjusted Winnings. All-In Equity is not the same thing as EV, but its important to note that neither EV or all-in Equity can be used to measure luck because luck cannot be calculated when there is a skill decision - both are only measurements of expectation.

Therefore:
  • The "EV line" is not EV... it is All-In Equity, adjusted by the size of your winnings and losses
  • Showing the All-In Equity line by itself would not benefit you, and on a related note if EV could be calculated then there would be no benefit is showing that by itself as well. Even though there is no benefit, you can do this if you so desire by right clicking the graph to change the widths of any line displayed
  • Any other use of the term "EV" is a misnomer, this is ver common mistake that is made by even the best players - we believe in telling our users the truth about EV even if its not the popular belife.

PS: We do not have a cloud option at this time, but we do provide methods for players to sync their databases across two computers here: https://www.pokertracker.com/guides/...-two-computers

- TT
Ok thanks, one last thing before I download it. Can you open multiple graphs for different dates? This was a feature of HM 1 but has disappeared for HM 2.

Thanks
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06-10-2014 , 10:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by reddev
Ok thanks, one last thing before I download it. Can you open multiple graphs for different dates? This was a feature of HM 1 but has disappeared for HM 2.

Thanks
You can pre-set quickfilters for different date periods, or use or simple date filters option from the left hand side bar. Only one graph of a type can be opened at the same time, I cannot think of a situation where showing two of the same graph for different time periods would be helpful - but we do not know of multiple players who do this (including myself) with reports. The trick is to use screen capture software, setup the base report then take a screen capture. Now set up the report you wish to compare it to and take another screen capture if necessary. We looked into allowing duplicate windows with different filters active but we determined it would hurt performance so instead we recommend using the screen capture method when needed.

- TT
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06-10-2014 , 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Melchor
hey Im trying to add "fold bb to steal from sb" stat, I can see fold to steal --> position and I can choose bb, but I need it just against sb, tyty
also thx for the other thing about the power outage
Search for the stats that start with the name "BB vs SB"



- TT
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06-10-2014 , 12:02 PM
tyty
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06-10-2014 , 07:05 PM
Having a bit of trouble with a few stats, not custom ones. They just don't seem to have the sample size they should when I hover over them to check instances.

Playing HU hypers so lots of action going on. Played 1 player and he was never folding to cbets. In 108 hands I know I cbet more than twice and I'm pretty sure he almost never folded. My " Fold to Flop Cbet " went from 0 to 50% when he folded once , and I noticed 1/2 instances which is impossible in 108 hands.

Here's a pic of that particular one. Tried "insert image" with Pasteboard , doesn't seem to work.

http://pbrd.co/1hFPfyS

Double checked and a few other stats seem off on another player .. 200 hands on one player and see 10 instances of "Bet River" , 6 instances of "Fold to river bet".

On another player in 77 hands , 4 instances of "Check Raise Flop %" which can't be accurate.

I know I'm not looking at session stats since when I hover , it shows those too and they're even less.

If you need more info let me know on the stats' settings in my hud profile.
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06-10-2014 , 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mugenjin
Having a bit of trouble with a few stats, not custom ones. They just don't seem to have the sample size they should when I hover over them to check instances.

Playing HU hypers so lots of action going on. Played 1 player and he was never folding to cbets. In 108 hands I know I cbet more than twice and I'm pretty sure he almost never folded. My " Fold to Flop Cbet " went from 0 to 50% when he folded once , and I noticed 1/2 instances which is impossible in 108 hands.

Here's a pic of that particular one. Tried "insert image" with Pasteboard , doesn't seem to work.

http://pbrd.co/1hFPfyS

Double checked and a few other stats seem off on another player .. 200 hands on one player and see 10 instances of "Bet River" , 6 instances of "Fold to river bet".

On another player in 77 hands , 4 instances of "Check Raise Flop %" which can't be accurate.

I know I'm not looking at session stats since when I hover , it shows those too and they're even less.

If you need more info let me know on the stats' settings in my hud profile.
1) Please make sure you are running PokerTracker 4.11.7, this is our latest version and it is the only version we are currently supporting due to the tremendous amount of changes recently.

2) I will take your word that the stats appear odd, but in reality over such a small sample size these are stats that can occur. I suggest using PokerTracker 4's reports to review your opponent, change the active player to match the opponent's name. If the stats atch what you saw in the HUD, then the evidence points to only having a small sample size - we would need to see the logs to further review.

3) It appears that there is a possibility that you might be working with a database that requires a rebuild, but I cannot be sure without reviewing your pokertracker4.log and pokertrackerhud4.log files. You can try running a database update by selecting Database > Database Management > Housekeeping then select in this order run a full database housekeeping in this order: Reindex => Cluster => Vacuum/Analyze. If this does not solve the problem, then you will have to create a support ticket with the log files attached along with the screen capture so we can determine from the logs what is occurring. The screen capture alone doesn't tell us enough, the logs would be required to provide further help.

Please follow these instructions for submitting a Support Ticket.

- TT
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06-10-2014 , 09:23 PM
On another note , any idea why my last 2 updates have installed successfully but completely stall near the end and I'm forced to "end task" on them.

Both times installing files to the "Videos" folder , right near the end of the update.

*updated fine now*

Last edited by mugenjin; 06-10-2014 at 09:45 PM.
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06-10-2014 , 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerTracker
1) Please make sure you are running PokerTracker 4.11.7, this is our latest version and it is the only version we are currently supporting due to the tremendous amount of changes recently.

2) I will take your word that the stats appear odd, but in reality over such a small sample size these are stats that can occur. I suggest using PokerTracker 4's reports to review your opponent, change the active player to match the opponent's name. If the stats atch what you saw in the HUD, then the evidence points to only having a small sample size - we would need to see the logs to further review.

3) It appears that there is a possibility that you might be working with a database that requires a rebuild, but I cannot be sure without reviewing your pokertracker4.log and pokertrackerhud4.log files. You can try running a database update by selecting Database > Database Management > Housekeeping then select in this order run a full database housekeeping in this order: Reindex => Cluster => Vacuum/Analyze. If this does not solve the problem, then you will have to create a support ticket with the log files attached along with the screen capture so we can determine from the logs what is occurring. The screen capture alone doesn't tell us enough, the logs would be required to provide further help.

Please follow these instructions for submitting a Support Ticket.

- TT
I'll update to the latest ver. was running .6 , but these are hyper turbos .. in 108 hands I cbet that player more than 2x .. there's no disputing that.
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06-10-2014 , 09:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mugenjin
On another note , any idea why my last 2 updates have installed successfully but completely stall near the end and I'm forced to "end task" on them.

Both times installing files to the "Videos" folder , right near the end of the update.

*updated fine now*
Well then this is probably the source of your problem.

1) Restart
2) Disable all antivirus protection tools and also all firewalls, they may be conflicting with the install
3) Run the installer. DO NOT FORCE QUIT. It will throw an error if it encounters a problem, let the process complete naturally.
4) When PokerTracker 4 is installed click Database > Database Management. Now select Rebuild Cache. You should expect this process to take a long time if your database is large, but I suspect this may be necessary due to your forced quits.

- TT
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06-10-2014 , 10:23 PM
It installed successfully this time .. I had waited 15 min. while it was stalled previously and there's was no CPU activity at all for the install process.

After upgrading I went through all the steps you 1st mentioned , and now rebuilt the cache. We'll see if there's any change.

Thanks.

Also went through the steps you mentioned above after rebuilding the cache , just in case.
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06-11-2014 , 06:23 PM
hi, it's been a long time since I've played so quick question... do people use this software on stars or is it illegal? if it is illegal, do people still use it?
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06-11-2014 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by CheckRaise_
hi, it's been a long time since I've played so quick question... do people use this software on stars or is it illegal? if it is illegal, do people still use it?
PokerTracker is the official tracking software sponsor of the PokerStars European Poker Tour, we have a long and very healthy relationship with PokerStars and I can assure you we are approved for use at PokerStars. PokerTracker only supports online poker rooms where our software is legally permitted, we consider this to be a very important consideration in our decision process before adding support for any online poker site. To confirm you may:

Now may I ask you why you would think that our software is illegal when it is clearly permitted and accepted? Typically when we are asked this question it is due to misinformation about what our software does, perhaps we can help clear up this misunderstanding about PokerTracker's functions for you? We would be happy to help.

PS: PokerTracker is the world's largest online poker software provider for online poker players, we are very proud to say that hundreds of thousands of players use our software solutions.

- TT
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06-11-2014 , 06:47 PM
It is perfectly legal to use PT4 on Stars. You can find it on their list of "allowed software" here: http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/
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06-11-2014 , 07:04 PM
Is it possible to make different HUD groups appear based on the action in the hand? I'm looking to cause a change from my primary group to a BvB one when action folds to the SB.
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06-11-2014 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Is it possible to make different HUD groups appear based on the action in the hand? I'm looking to cause a change from my primary group to a BvB one when action folds to the SB.
That is not possible within PokerTracker, we have been advised that we should not provide this automation because it could accidentally fall under some Terms of Service rules. But there are third party tools such as EasyStreet which provides a similar function with the use of hotkeys, and that is perfectly acceptable within all known regulations.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45...trols-1422041/

- TT
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06-11-2014 , 07:20 PM
Okay, thanks. One more thing. Is it possible to have stat colour ranges defined by reference to sample size?
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06-11-2014 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Okay, thanks. One more thing. Is it possible to have stat colour ranges defined by reference to sample size?
Yes. You can do that within the HUD Profile Editor using the Color Ranges feature. You can also alter colors of stats system-wide using the Custom Stats window (Configure menu), this tool will allow you to define color using any expression - for example a sample size of a different stat or database column can be used as the color range trigger.

- TT
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