Fiscal years, imo.

We don't have a release date yet - it will be released when it is ready. We currently have a few hundred testers in the closed Beta, and more codes may be made available soon, but we're pushing towards an open beta as soon as possible. (Again, no date has been decided yet - it depends how the closed beta goes.)

SPR is included, but if there are any other specific things you'd like to see please let us know.

You will again be able to make custom stats and reports, and these have been made easier and more powerful for PT4.

We as that you keep PT4 comparisons until after the Commercial version is released - we're currently in Beta and the software will change significantly before commercial release. It won't be too long before you can try it out for yourself!

--WhiteRider

Yeah that makes sense, ty.

Our 11th year is Fall 2012, unless something goes horribly wrong, and nobody expects that to happen, then PokerTracker 4 will be commercially released long before our 12th year;-)

cool, just making sure its there, I've pretty much already decided I'm going to get pt4 when its released

one more thing, will there be a way to manually change the individual hud on the tables or get to change automatically? as an example I like to table start using my heads up hud in hem, but when the table starts filling I would like to switch to my 6-max and fullring huds. Hem1 only had a stat filter for the number of players at the table (so the hud used was the same one for all 3 formats, which if you play heads up and 8 players sit can look a bit messy)

Can you acknowledge that the stats missing that I mentioned in my last post are at least being discussed internally? I know you may not have anything to say beyond that until you figure out what you want to do, but at least that would be useful so I know you guys saw my post.

These are on my list to add for an upcoming beta.

There isn't one by default but it can be built out of default columns - I'll add a note to myself to build this one too for you.

Random, I'm definitely going to be looking at this this coming week. Shoot me a PM on the PT forums with your list of what we need to fill in the blank if it's anything more than floats, probes and donks.

I highly doubt you're going to have a sufficient sample size to see any statistically significant divergence. This is certainly a stat you can build as a custom stat though should you desire to investigate the phenomenon further - the PT4 database can give us the data we need to test all of these kinds of scenarios and more.

Just so you are aware, we need to consult with multiple developers and decision makers within our company when the finner points of a stat decision is in play. That is why stat discussions may take some time for analysis, review, and debate before we can respond. We read EVERYTHING that you guys post in this thread, nothing gets ignored, if we take time before responding we usually have a good reason to do so.... or it's a weekend ;-)

We intentionally provided the just core needs for 3Bet pot and non 3Bet pot stats because it would require a heavy database hit if we provided these two sub-definitions for all post flop stats. In a perfect world scenario we would create every possible stat along with every possible action and reaction for measurement, but that is unrealistic.... most of our user's computers would be crushed with that level of detailed analysis. As we develop we have to balance the real world needs of players with the realities of human interface needs and average computer resources... and we believe that we do a great job of providing a balanced solution that almost all players can take advantage of with the flexibility to customize. We also realize that in the process of creating this balance some esoteric or lesser used stats will be left out intentionally. We implemented Custom Stats for the 1% of our users who need this missing information and are willing to accept the performance tradeoff that may in some cases come from adding a custom stat.
I would like to add to Kraada's statement above by encouraging PT4 users to explore the scatter graph tool along with PokerTracker 4's filtering system to do X/Y comparisons of stat scenarios. This will help you determine if there is a statistically significant divergence between the scenarios you wish to explore. During development we use these tools extensively for analysis, you should do the same!
- TT

I was wondering how the DB size was going to change from PT3 to PT4.

I recall reading on the PT forum that you could add sufficient columns in the custom stats section to emulate player's ranges and have them as a HUD pop-up; however this used most of the available columns for custom stats.

Will the new release have be of a significantly larger size to accommodate?

ta

There are less tables in PT4 databases because holdem and omaha share a lot more tables. The number of columns in a table is a restriction of PostgreSQL, but PT4 doesn't add custom columns to the cache so the restriction doesn't come into play.

--WhiteRider

edit: don't know much about programming, etc.

(I glazed over this and I see you mentioned some tools that would be useful in determining the usefulness of some of thosepreviously mentioned stats, however...)

Some of the stats that he's asking for could be prepared during a "database update" or something like that, just anyone over 500 hands or whatever gets their stats updated and it doesn't get updated again until the next database update. After a session you can just start it running and go for a walk or whatever.

It would require much more than 500 hands to develop a statistically significant sample for the stats discussed above, we could be looking at hundreds of thousands of hands for some of the stats - if not more. There are many esoteric stats that our users request, luckily for them PokerTracker has a custom stat tool which allows you to add in these stats which can be found on our web site already made in many situations, and when they are not our team of experts wil be happy to help our users create these custom stats for themselves. Only PokerTracker has custom stats, as you can see this is a really valuable tool.

Attn PT4 Beta Preview users:


PokerStars released a client update this weekend that breaks the PokerTracker 4 Hand Grabber. If you are playing on PokerStars, we suggest you disable the hand grabber temporarily until we can release a patch to address this issue.

PokerTracker,

I am still curious for the answer to this question:

Unfortunately I have bad news, NoiQ branded versions of Pokertracker 3 are not eligible for the free upgrade to PokerTracker 4. Sorry it took us so long to research your question, I wanted to verify that this would be case, due to the nature of the business deal with NoiQ the free upgrade cannot apply in your situation.

Are you sure? I have updated my Pokerstars client and have always had handgrabber enabled and PT4 is importing hands fine... HUD working gr8 too.

I didn't need to disable the memory grabber either - it just doesn't pick up observed hands, but played hands and the HUD still work fine.

Thanks for your answer. Because of your wording, I am not sure if you are answering my actual question.

Just to be clear, I am not asking:

PT3 (NoiQ branded) ---- free upgrade ----> PT4
or:
PT3 (NoiQ branded) ---- free upgrade ----> PT4 (NoiQ branded)

but:
PT3 (NoiQ branded) ---- paid upgrade ----> PT3 (full) ---- free upgrade ----> PT4

this may help explain better by using your chart.

PT3 (NoiQ branded) -> Paid upgrade to PT full unbranded -> free PT4

Just out of curiousity, is PT4 done in c++/wxWidgets?

Yes. All programing is completed in C++ using wxWidgets and then compiled for Windows or OSX respectively. This is not a question we get that frequently, do you mind sharing with us why you ask?

Well I was recently asked to create something that has to be fast and cross platform. Im mainly a .Net guy but have done alot of C++ in the past. Ive been looking around for the right (free) widget toolkit to use and your program is a very nice looking piece of software and with a lot of functionality so if its done in wxWidgets I just might go that way.

Mvh
Inga

We should take this offline maybe, but you should look into Qt as well. It is great to program against. It's LGPL, so you should have no problems using it in a commercial app.

Ive used Qt before and their licensing is a little more complicated than that. Iirc you can use qt for free in open source projects or personal projects but if its commercial project you have to pay.

Thanks for the tip though! We can move our discussion to the programming sub-forum if you have other tips
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Mvh
Inga

will PT4 introduce session stats for HUD?

like HM has when you double click on a persons stat box (this method is not that good tho, because you have to double click every stat box on every table manually)