Yes, if you use the Filters section and filter for Actions -> Preflop 3-bet OR Facing -> Preflop 3-bet, you'll see your data from all hands where either you or someone else 3-bet and you were involved one way or the other.

It's not possible to display statistics only vs you in the HUD at this point in time. It's a feature we are investigating for potential addition in the future but it puts a lot of stress on the query generation system so it is not yet clear whether it will or will not be feasible.

For the record, you can change the time PT3 thinks your day starts at in the Settings section, and then you can avoid this problem entirely (just set the time for a time you're never playing, e.g. 4am).

Is there a way to add custom colour labels, similar to the ones you find on Pokerstars and Full Tilt. I see its possible on HEM, anyway to do it on PT3?

Basically, on the HUD, have a selectable label that has various colours to choose from. Possibly even the colour of the note symbol would work.

Ok, ty Kraada. Is there a way to check your opponents 3-bet/4-bet %age vs you using reports or am I mistaken??

From the HM developers:

VPIP and PFR only include hands where you could have made an action. When it is folded to you in the big blind this would not count towards VPIP or PFR in Holdem Manager. For example, if you play 10 hands of HU poker and out of the 5 times you were the big blind it was folded to you 3 times and the other 7 hands you VPIP'ed 5 times, then Holdem Manager would calculate VPIP as 5 out of 7 = 71%, not 5 out of 10 for 50%. That would be misleading, given you had no chance to play in those 3 hands.

Why would HEM developers decide to change established and well studied statistics? VPIP and PFR have been defined for 10 years and are widely accepted by the community. These newly defined HEM stats are not VPIP nor PFR and are something entirely new.

By changing them, you are causing confusion among the community and ruining standards that have already been defined and accepted. There is no doubt that improvements can be made but they should come as a newly defined statistic and not as a change to the existing standard.

If you are going to attempt to change a statistic that has been defined for such a long period of time then this should be clearly documented so that it does not cause confusion within the poker community.

That's not possible at this point in time, but functionality like this is planned.

Yes this can be done, though you'll need to define a little more for me what you mean by 'vs you' - do you mean hands you were dealt in and still were yet to act or hands where you'd made one of the raises?

Why is the HUD forgetful ? I play 6max cash NL games. I have UB configured to 6max and my default seat in the import configuration bit on PT3. I would say around 80% of the time when I join a table, my HUD is all wrong, with the labels all in the wrong place. Like 1-2 seats off. So I move them all around, and click "save layout". Another table I join and same **** happens. It is becoming VERY annoying!

Please take a look at the Tutorial: Preferred Seating.

fozzy71, to piggy back on Josh's post. Why would you not create new statistics instead of attempting to redefine 10 year (or older) stats? I'm very interested in hearing the logic of this choice.

Best regards,

Derek

Seems like someone's misinterpreting what the other is saying, IMO.

I read what HEM support says as the standard way VPIP/PFR are calculated, but there's some weird language usage in the last part that makes it seem to be something different.

How I read it at least...

Not sure why the guy's having differences in his VPIP though so maybe I misunderstood something. Is that not how PS calcs VPIP/PFR?

Edit:
Is this seriously how PT3 calcs it? Instances/hands and not instances/opportunities? My head's asploding. Really?

2nd Edit: Please tell me there's not this same logic differential between the two when it comes to 3-betting...

I'm trying to add aliases right now. I've added my FTP name, and when I try to add my PokerStars name I get an error message.

It says: You cannot alias a screen name that has played tournaments against the player.

Obviously this is impossible. I'm adding a PokerStars name and a Full Tilt name. It is not possible for them to have played against each other in a tournament.

I would gladly just delete all tournament HHs from my database but I have no clue how to do that. I would imagine that would fix the problem.

EDIT: I have the newest version of PT3 for Mac (Snow Leopard)

PT3 calculates VP$IP & PFR that way (instances / hands) and PT2 calculated it that way as well - that's how they've always been calculated. PT3 could calculate them as instances / opportunities and I believe WhiteRider built these and put them in the repository but since it does make a considerable difference in terms of numbers you see (of up to a few percent depending on the tightness of the tables you're playing at), we saw (and continue to see) no reason to change the defaults in PT3.

Re 3-betting: In response to discussion we did add the Fold to PF 3bet When Raised statistic which is now a default statistic available in PT3.

I responded to your duplicate post on the PT3 forums.

Meh, it probably doesn't make that big of a difference, but I'd challenge the belief that the way you calculate it is the commonly accepted view. I'll check around and get back to you (not sure if you all care or not).

My 3-betting question is in regards to the hands vs. opportunities and would obviously be much more significant if it wasn't calculated the same across HEM/PT3 (which is why I think it probably is the same). But just to make sure, if I 3-bet 5 times in 100 hands, but I'm only facing raises for 50 of those hands, my 3-bet stat should be 10%, not 5%. Confirm that's correct?

a couple of questions - can I use PT3 with ipoker with mac? having trouble with this.

also, how can I configure it so that I can have an alias where I can combine usernames on many sites? Thank you.

Nm, figured out the alias thing - just need help with the ipoker + mac + auto import issue, if this is even possible. I'd rather not buy HEM and parallels.

It's definitely the way it was always calculated by PT2. So that means we've been using the definition for something nearing 10 years now.

Sorry if I misunderstood the 3-betting question. Yes, 3-bet is calculated out of 3-bet opportunities not total hands. In your example your 3-bet percentage would be 10%.

As our developer said in response to your similar PT3 forum post:

We support importing iPoker hands on the Mac.

However the iPoker flash client does not write hand histories so if you play on a Mac you will not be able to track your stats or get a hud.

When iPoker releases a full Mac client we will definitely support it.

Per my informal poll of the two forums I mod, how PT3 does it isn't the standardly accepted definition.

Perhaps some more in-depth market research and a change to the way it's calculated?

Also, move to bb while you're at it, IMO.

Much easier for limit players to adjust their thinking from BB to bb than everyone else to go the other way.

Let me ask you this question then: Where did the standardly accepted definition come from? If it wasn't from PT2, where did it originate?

Rationality? Common sense? How can not having an opportunity to VPIP affect your VPIP and not having an opportunity to PFR affect your PFR?

I don't know the whole timeline behind HEM vs. PT3, who was first with what, etc. but I've been using PT3 (and PT3O) for close to 3 years now and I've never thought it was calculated the way it is.

Am I making a bigger deal out of it than it should be? Yeah, probably, since walks in the BB aren't a super-common occurrence (at least, not at the limits/games I've played)...

Let me ask you this, though... How does PT3 handle non-blind posting where there isn't a PFR?

At the very least, you should spell this out for HU players (where I'm sure it's probably more impactful).

Historically PokerTracker came well before HEM - by a good 3 or 4 years if not more (I don't have the exact dates handy). HEM originally started as a side project because PokerTracker v2 did not have 3-bet statistics (among others).

The original PT2 statistic - the stat that Pokey was using when he wrote this - was VP$IP as it is in PT3. All of our stats are defined in our Statistical Reference Guide, and as I already said earlier the HEM version is available for use from the repository. We've never attempted to make our definitions secret - you can also see every stat's definition in the Configure Statistics window and see how the columns are calculated on the columns tab.

But changing our default - the company's default statistic, the one which 100% became the initial standard and has been calculated the same way since long before I joined 2+2 - does not seem prudent. You get used to certain numbers and get a feel for "styles" which would change if you swapped out the statistical definition.

Regarding your question about a dead blind - a person posting a dead blind is not considered to have VP$IP until they've put some more money in by either calling or raising.

What else would you like to see us do to help convey this stat's calculation method more effectively?

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Anybody who posts a dead blind then checks certainly had a chance to VP$IP, same as the big blind who checks had a chance to VP$IP. If you could raise and put more money in, I don't see how that's not a chance to VP$IP if that's the definition you want to use.

Even if we were to switch to a "chance to VP$IP" method of calculation, we'd still want CO posters who checked and saw a flop to count as a chance to VP$IP.

I have forwarded your quote's, to Roy and my supervisors. I will forward any replies they have, or ask them to post in this thread.