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I examined a board of Jd 3s 6h 9c with node locking on letting oop player bet:
AK, AQ, QQ+, 99, 66, 33, AJ, QTs, J9s and pio solver counts 96 combos. Shouldnt it be 81 because of card removal?

PioSOLVER shows all combinations you choose in the range selector, like that:

http://imgur.com/VPtG7Ua (it's 92 combos btw)

Once you build a tree and ask for range though the card removal is accounted for:

http://imgur.com/p3fVach (as you can see it's 77 combos)

The reason for this is that you often want board independent ranges in the range selector (to save for the future etc.).
Another way is to open Range Explorer and paste the range there, it always shows the number of combos taking into account card removal:

http://imgur.com/lC0fL0e

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06-10-2016 , 09:06 AM

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ron1n

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Hi punter, I want the solver to return a "pure" strategy and not a mixed one. Is it possible?

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06-10-2016 , 02:36 PM

#1203

derZonk

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Hey punter,
is there an easy way to convert a range from Pio to Propokertools syntax?

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06-10-2016 , 03:01 PM

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punter11235

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Hi punter, I want the solver to return a "pure" strategy and not a mixed one. Is it possible?

No, because that would be very exploitable and the solver tries to solve for equilibrium.
You can round the resulting strategy though, using rounding feature:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ozjfnatwms (question number 4)

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is there an easy way to convert a range from Pio to Propokertools syntax?

I have no idea what Pokertools syntax is. PioSOLVER's format is very easy to parse/convert. Contact the developers of Pokertools project and ask them.

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06-11-2016 , 05:05 AM

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ron1n

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hey punter, i have a quick and presumably easy to implement request:
in the browse tab, after we click "strategy", all one pair+ hands should appear bolder so we immediately recognize "made" hands.

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06-11-2016 , 11:34 AM

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PTRonFire

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Hi punter.
I ran a report (I tried both Runouts aggreg./ Multiple R. a.) by checking the box for "include hands in the report" and in the resulted file I get the strategy for OOP only for the hands in IP range, other hands doesn`t appear. The strategy is the same that is in the Browser so the report got the positions right. I don`t know if I express myself clear so I`ll post a picture:
http://imgur.com/Ssh3abw
It is an error or I got something wrong?

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06-11-2016 , 12:27 PM

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punter11235

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in the browse tab, after we click "strategy", all one pair+ hands should appear bolder so we immediately recognize "made" hands

This sounds like a good idea although it won't make it to 1.9.

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I ran a report (I tried both Runouts aggreg./ Multiple R. a.) by checking the box for "include hands in the report" and in the resulted file I get the strategy for OOP only for the hands in IP range, other hands doesn`t appear. The strategy is the same that is in the Browser so the report got the positions right. I don`t know if I express myself clear so I`ll post a picture:
http://imgur.com/Ssh3abw
It is an error or I got something wrong?

As a general rule: when reporting strange/unexpected behavior or bugs always attach the config so I can build the tree, run the report and check. I can't reproduce the behavior without the config and guessing what happens from the screenshot is unfortunately not very productive (there are many ways to get various things on the screen). Please email the config (or paste here) and I will take a look.

EDIT: also make sure you have the newest version of the viewer (About in the top menu) which is 1.8.2.3.

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06-11-2016 , 05:01 PM

#1208

PTRonFire

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punter, I sent you an email (w/ my 2+2 nickname as subject) at support@piosolver.com with logs, cfr files, reports, ect

I updated to 1.8.2.3 and nothing changed.

Cheers!

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06-11-2016 , 06:13 PM

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punter11235

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punter, I sent you an email (w/ my 2+2 nickname as subject) at support@piosolver.com with logs, cfr files, reports, ect

Thank you, it does in fact look like a bug.
The thing is that the point of "aggregation reports" is to aggregate over all turn (or turn+river) cards so we have probably missed a case where you run it in the first node of the tree. Anyway, it will be fixed for the next release.

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06-11-2016 , 07:09 PM

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PTRonFire

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Thanks
I'm glad to hear that is not something that gives you headaches

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06-12-2016 , 12:49 PM

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RalphWaldoEmerson

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hi,

I'm trying to rejoin the piosolver Skype group. I left the group a while back and when I search for it it just says "you have left the group" with no apparent option to rejoin. I also don't know anyone else in the group so I can't have someone add me.

Thanks!

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06-12-2016 , 03:49 PM

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punter11235

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I'm trying to rejoin the piosolver Skype group. I left the group a while back and when I search for it it just says "you have left the group" with no apparent option to rejoin. I also don't know anyone else in the group so I can't have someone add me.

Skype works in mysterious ways. Send us an email with the request and I will link you to the group.

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06-13-2016 , 03:40 AM

#1213

KingKas

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Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 13

Coudln't find the answer in the many FAQs, when I purchase Piosolver Basic , can I later on upgrade to another version?

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06-13-2016 , 03:40 AM

#1214

M_Acevedo

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Pio preflop takes a very long amount of time to stop after clicking the stop button, is this normal?

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06-13-2016 , 03:59 AM

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punter11235

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Coudln't find the answer in the many FAQs, when I purchase Piosolver Basic , can I later on upgrade to another version?

Yes, the upgrades cost the difference in prices + ~24$.

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Pio preflop takes a very long amount of time to stop after clicking the stop button, is this normal?

It depends what do you mean by "very long amount of time". From the sound of it it's not normal, the most useful report here would be a log:

-Tools->Configuration->enable logging
-reproduce
-send us log.txt
-switch the logging off (the file grows big quite fast so it's good not to have it on all the time)

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06-13-2016 , 04:02 AM

#1216

KingKas

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Thanks for the quick reply. Good to know

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06-14-2016 , 02:19 PM

#1217

xcEmUx

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Link to post:

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Originally Posted by punter11235

Yeah, that one of those good ideas which is kept getting postponed.

Any news about this?

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06-15-2016 , 03:24 AM

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punter11235

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Yeah, that one of those good ideas which is kept getting postponed.
Any news about this?

I must've known what you mean back then but today it seems to me that the aggregation report does exactly that, doesn't it?

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06-15-2016 , 11:23 AM

#1219

xcEmUx

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We have been talking about a similiar tool to the Runouts EV Comparision (Hotness), just for frequencies of betting / checking / calling / folding.

Aggregation Report at the moment kinda fulfills its purpose, but it is really unhandy and confusing, compared to a cleaned up and built in tool window.

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06-15-2016 , 12:18 PM

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punter11235

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We have been talking about a similiar tool to the Runouts EV Comparision (Hotness), just for frequencies of betting / checking / calling / folding.

There is going to be strategy in the comparison tool in 1.9 release, like here:

http://imgur.com/4afS78n

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06-15-2016 , 01:00 PM

#1221

7a.m.@hu

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Originally Posted by punter11235

There is going to be strategy in the comparison tool in 1.9 release, like here:

http://imgur.com/4afS78n

Do you know more or less when you will release it? days/weeks/months? thank you!

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06-15-2016 , 02:34 PM

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punter11235

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Do you know more or less when you will release it? days/weeks/months? thank you!

We don't give ETAs. The answer is always "when it's ready" which proved to be too difficult to estimate the timeline for.

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06-15-2016 , 03:14 PM

#1223

M_Acevedo

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hi, very small feature request, I think that when building preflop trees the focus should stay on the node we are working on instead of going to the next one so that we don't forget including acctions like fold, for example if after a raise to 10 I make a reraise to 30 the focus to add a new action should stay in the raise 10 instead of going to 30, otherwise we have to be clicking back and forth and I keep forgetting to add fold actions because of this.

tx

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06-15-2016 , 05:08 PM

#1224

punter11235

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when building preflop trees the focus should stay on the node we are working on instead of going to the next one

That's how it's going to work in 1.9

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06-15-2016 , 08:17 PM

#1225

M_Acevedo

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Originally Posted by punter11235

That's how it's going to work in 1.9

Awesome I'm very excited about 1.9!! looking forward for it

something else I forgot before, in range explorer in the bottom right can we get the total combos selected displayed as well as the selected % of the range, this would be very helpful so we don't have to mentally add combos or even use a calculator

hehe and also the bottom "box" under the graphs can not be resized, and it is very big and hav a lot of empthy space so maybe the hability to make it smaller by draging the top same as the graph panel

https://gyazo.com/6a8357bcc6f3f0d7339c4e3ef04a7e2b

as always tyvm for the great product and great support, Pio has become a center piece in my study time! cheers

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