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05-27-2019 , 02:47 AM
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Thanks for your reply.

What's unclear is creating the .bat file, also exactly which folder to place the it in, also if I have pio-pro do I write that instead of edge. Also how exactly to run it in the first place. I've never programmed before and so I can't really follow. Thanks for your time.
To create a bat file: right click in the folder, choose "new" or "new file", change name to "mybatscript.bat" or something like that. It should change an icon and you can run it by double clicking on it.
It's the simplest to have the .bat file and the scripts in Pio installation folder.

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if I have pio-pro do I write that instead of edge.
Yes.
Again, if you have never done that before it may be a bit painful at first. We are aware that's significant shortcoming of our interface and it will be easier to queue trees in the future.
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05-27-2019 , 02:54 PM
I see "node-locking" mentioned a few times - I see a "how-to" video on it, but can you give me a "what is it" link?

Last edited by businessdude; 05-27-2019 at 03:05 PM.
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05-27-2019 , 03:57 PM
[QUOTE=punter11235;55149306]To create a bat file: right click in the folder, choose "new" or "new file", change name to "mybatscript.bat" or something like that. It should change an icon and you can run it by double clicking on it.
It's the simplest to have the .bat file and the scripts in Pio installation folder.

Thank you! finally got it working. Where do I find the files after it is completed running? Also is there a way to shut down program after they're done? Very much appreciated.
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05-28-2019 , 11:33 AM
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I see "node-locking" mentioned a few times - I see a "how-to" video on it, but can you give me a "what is it" link?
Node-locking allows you to set a player's strategy at a decision node and let the solver solve the tree with the assumption that this strategy can't change. You can lock the whole range or selected combos.

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Thank you! finally got it working. Where do I find the files after it is completed running? Also is there a way to shut down program after they're done? Very much appreciated.
When you create scripts the path is there in the script generation window.
You can also open a script and look at the path after dump_tree command.
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05-28-2019 , 01:22 PM
This is confusing as well. I've already run the script. Now I cannot find the file.
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05-28-2019 , 06:33 PM
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Node-locking allows you to set a player's strategy at a decision node and let the solver solve the tree with the assumption that this strategy can't change. You can lock the whole range or selected combos.
So you mean you would basically override Pio's solution and say for example restrict or expand a player's ranging range? And then you resolve from that point forward?
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05-28-2019 , 07:34 PM
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So you mean you would basically override Pio's solution and say for example restrict or expand a player's ranging range? And then you resolve from that point forward?
My understanding is that when you lock a node and re-solve, Pio computes a new optimal strategy for both players (conditionally on that particular node's locked strategy being fixed) both going forward and going backward!

Hence, for instance, if you lock the node for the OOP player's second action on the flop after he checks and IP bets, Pio will also adjust the OOP player's first node on the flop (as well as both players' actions thereafter on the flop, turn and river). That may not be what you want. If you wish for Pio to calculated a maximally exploitative strategy that takes advantage of the "mistakes" you've locked in for the OOP player's second flop action (after check-bet), and not allow the OOP player to retrospectively adjust his own strategy for the first flop node, you need to lock that node as well.

Furthermore, in the case of turn and river node locking, Pio will adjust the strategies of both players on all previous streets. Again, that may not be what you want. In order to prevent Pio from solving backwards on previous streets (and thus allowing the player whose strategy is locked to "anticipate" her own mistakes and pre-adjust on earlier streets), when all you want to know is how to exploit sub-optimal strategies on later streets from that point forward, you need to use the subtree configuration feature (in the "tree" menu). I haven't seen a video or article that discusses the use of subtrees in the context of node locking. Maybe someone else has?

(Lastly, it would be nice if there were a feature, or some means, for Pio to calculate an optimal strategy allowing for Hero only to adjust retrospectively to Villain's later (locked in) mistakes, and not allow Villain to do so as well. What would be required, I guess, is a function for automatically locking all of one player's nodes upstream of a specific node.)

Last edited by PierreNormand; 05-28-2019 at 07:45 PM.
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05-28-2019 , 11:32 PM
I guess it makes sense - if you "node-lock" the OOP to check-raise the flop only with sets, then Pio might turn some initial checks - that might have been c-r - into flop donk bets.



btw - ranging range = raising range in previous post
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05-29-2019 , 03:52 AM
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This is confusing as well. I've already run the script. Now I cannot find the file.
Again, you specify the output path when creating the script. The files are there. You can also use a file search on your computer to find it (either default one or download something good like everything from voidtools).

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So you mean you would basically override Pio's solution and say for example restrict or expand a player's ranging range? And then you resolve from that point forward?
You resolve the whole tree with the assumption that strategy at this point can't change. "from this point forward" is not exactly precise because earlier decisions can change as well (unless you lock them as well).

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I guess it makes sense - if you "node-lock" the OOP to check-raise the flop only with sets, then Pio might turn some initial checks - that might have been c-r - into flop donk bets.
Well, if the opponent is only c/r'ing with sets then Pio will likely want to bet everything on the flop as it will be free turn card vs most of the range and easy fold vs a c/r.

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(Lastly, it would be nice if there were a feature, or some means, for Pio to calculate an optimal strategy allowing for Hero only to adjust retrospectively to Villain's later (locked in) mistakes, and not allow Villain to do so as well. What would be required, I guess, is a function for automatically locking all of one player's nodes upstream of a specific node.)
Your post is on point. This feature is interesting, I will add it to the to-do. Right now it can be achieved by locking all previous decisions manually or as you mentioned creating a new tree from that point forward using subtree configuration feature.
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05-29-2019 , 05:31 PM
hey punter, does piosolver take into account implied odds?
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05-30-2019 , 07:31 AM
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hey punter, does piosolver take into account implied odds?
Pio calculates all possible lines on all possible turn/river cards and sums up EVs from those. That means every possible runout is taken into account which means "implied odds" are accounted for.
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05-30-2019 , 11:19 PM
I would like to report a bug I am seeing in PLO Calc. In the 'Select Range' window, when I try to open the presaved ranges I receive the following error message:

https://gyazo.com/8ad12f14572b6d3eb9955a818c17a040

https://gyazo.com/35a74bb1b32e5971debdb9e065d8935e

Please let me know if there is a better way to report a bug like this.
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05-31-2019 , 05:01 AM
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I would like to report a bug I am seeing in PLO Calc. In the 'Select Range' window, when I try to open the presaved ranges I receive the following error message:

https://gyazo.com/8ad12f14572b6d3eb9955a818c17a040

https://gyazo.com/35a74bb1b32e5971debdb9e065d8935e

Please let me know if there is a better way to report a bug like this.
It's usually better to send a description to [email protected]

As to this problem: it looks like PLOCalc tries to write to a location which you don't have permission to write to. Please send us an email to [email protected] and I will forward it to Kuba (PLOCalc GUI developer). Meawhile you can try: running as admin, disabling 3rd party antiviruses, installing PLOCalc again in a new folder, for example C:\PLOCalc.
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05-31-2019 , 07:06 AM
I am looking at setting up a machine for all poker software, but particularly Pio.
These may be stupid questions:

1) Why do many people go for Pio Pro and lower and why does Pio itself not recommend Pio Edge to players below highstakes? With my little knowledge, preflop seems such an important area to me to explore

2) The faq recommends 64gb RAM minimum for PioEdge. How much RAM is needed to be able to use Edge for preflop with little limitation? I understand the more the better.

3) Do the number of cores/threads do anything other than make the calculations quicker? If I purchase a 12 core monstrosity, will it allow me to do anything that lesser core won't?

I am at a loss as I thought building a machine would be simple (again, no knowledge), but now discover that 64gb RAM is a limitation for most CPUs
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05-31-2019 , 07:51 AM
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1) Why do many people go for Pio Pro and lower and why does Pio itself not recommend Pio Edge to players below highstakes? With my little knowledge, preflop seems such an important area to me to explore
We feel preflop doesn't matter that much in actual play. In multiway games the equilibrium is very shaky (that is, if someone is not playing it you may lose playing it) and in HU preflop is kinda well known at this point with so many people running solutions.
Sure, there are things to explore and experiment with but it takes a lot of resources and time as preflop trees are very big.

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2) The faq recommends 64gb RAM minimum for PioEdge. How much RAM is needed to be able to use Edge for preflop with little limitation? I understand the more the better.
64GB lets you solve most practical spots with decent number of boards. If you get 128GB you will likely not run into many limitations although as usual it's a judgement call. If you want a lot of bet sizes preflop then you may want 192/256GB of RAM.

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3) Do the number of cores/threads do anything other than make the calculations quicker? If I purchase a 12 core monstrosity, will it allow me to do anything that lesser core won't?
The CPU just makes the calculations faster.
12 core is not a "monstrosity" by any stretch of imagination at this point. I would call it an average work station. Look at AMD ThreadRipper offerings or you may want to wait for the ones from new generation coming hopefully this year.

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I am at a loss as I thought building a machine would be simple (again, no knowledge), but now discover that 64gb RAM is a limitation for most CPUs
Usually getting 128GB is easy but more than that is problematic with non-server CPUs (and server ones are usually overpriced). I am hoping new ThreadRipper is going to work with 256GB+ as I am waiting for that one myself.
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05-31-2019 , 08:33 AM
A great feature would be right clicking raise,call, or fold in range explorer to show the hands not doing that action like you can in the main window.
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06-03-2019 , 08:05 AM
Hello, could some one give me an link to download PIO Solver Edge - I reinstalled my windows, and the old link I have on the dropbox ain't working anymore.
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06-03-2019 , 08:15 AM
Hi support,

I tried to open a tree that a friend sent me, and got the following error:
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/02456...cdb2b5-png.jpg

other people that opened the file it just worked.

So then I tried to update my pioviewer since I thought this might be the problem.

Then i got this error:

https://gyazo.com/df5d162e699af8f805a2f6d1468f0e13

I checked the download link in the registration e-mail from 2016, and it's correct, but I can't open the download link anymore! it's giving error404 it can't find the download link anymore

https://gyazo.com/4c841b8eb9f3b8868429d472adf53d9b

also my firewall is not blocking pioviewer.

Any idea what I should do now? I have version 1.8.1.0 so pretty old

Last edited by LeKiii_Fish; 06-03-2019 at 08:22 AM.
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06-03-2019 , 09:22 PM
Hi guys, I have a question.

Referring to this link for flop subsets.
https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news...the-whole-game


All of these subsets have numbers next to each flop. What do they represent?
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06-04-2019 , 11:20 AM
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Pio is a HU solver. We've added ICM as well so it's possible to solve ICM spots (both preflop and postflop). I think majority of our customers play cash but quite a few people find it useful for tournaments as well.
Hi,

When you run a preflop solve with ICM, is the produced result assuming that the post flop play is played with ICM or cEV?

Thanks
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06-04-2019 , 05:07 PM
I apologize for slower than usual support. I am on business trip and have only limited time to answer emails/2p2 posts until Friday.

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A great feature would be right clicking raise,call, or fold in range explorer to show the hands not doing that action like you can in the main window
Noted!

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Hello, could some one give me an link to download PIO Solver Edge - I reinstalled my windows, and the old link I have on the dropbox ain't working anymore.
You need an installer from here:
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So then I tried to update my pioviewer since I thought this might be the problem.

Then i got this error:
Personal links are no longer needed. Now you need an installer/updater linked above.

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All of these subsets have numbers next to each flop. What do they represent?
They are internal IDs, there isn't any useful information you can get from it. Btw, please install the newest version we ship better selected flop subsets these days.
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When you run a preflop solve with ICM, is the produced result assuming that the post flop play is played with ICM or cEV?
It assumes ICM throughout the whole tree.
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06-04-2019 , 05:21 PM
I have a script that stopped due to power outage. When I go to Tools>load script it just starts it new without recognizing the previous 1400 .cfr files. If I try and build a new script with the exact same parameters and send them to the same saves directory it recognizes only 11 of the .cfr files and starts building the 12th one. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you
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06-05-2019 , 06:03 AM
I contact support for license reset 48 hours ago?How long does it take?
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06-05-2019 , 08:41 AM
Thanks punter
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06-05-2019 , 10:21 AM
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I contact support for license reset 48 hours ago?How long does it take?
same for me
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