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10-06-2019 , 06:23 PM
No response from ICMIZER and activation key doesnt even work. Just lost 217 usd to these scammers.

Last edited by MTT DB Review; 10-06-2019 at 06:33 PM.
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10-07-2019 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfenzik
What is this SCAM icmizer?

I got email from them:
"Just a quick note...

Today, September 30th, is the last day when you can upgrade your ICMIZER 2
to ICMIZER 3 at the lowest possible price: $5.49.

Tomorrow, October 1st, this price will double.

I don't want you to miss out on this ICMIZER 3 Launch Upgrade Offer so here is your personal upgrade link:

Your personal direct upgrade link to our Store:
Upgrade to ICMIZER 3 for just $5.49"

I was curious about what new ICMIZER 3 can do with mix ranges, so decided to try for 5.49 usd, even though it wasnt really clear if that is one time or will be monthly.

This is the payment wall I got redirected to:

https://ctrlv.cz/shots/2019/10/02/kkqS.png

5,49 usd, over 6 usd with tax.


Then I get email about buying whole one year sub (I have a running subscription already) and 179 usd, with tax 217 !!!

WTF is that? How did you just take over 200 usd when I accepted 6 usd payment?
Hi

Sorry for not responding sooner.
We've had hundreds of upgrades and everyone has paid the amount that is displayed.

I am not sure why you bought a full Yearly PRO Subscription, thats a different product which costs 217 with tax. I can also see that a fresh Key was dispatched, while the Upgrade order didn't include a key.

If you've pressed pay in that page with that amount but were charged the different amount for a different product, it must be a huge blunder on the side of FastSpring.

Please contact them with this description at orders@fastspring.com and I am sure they'll have a good look into this.

I am with you on this problem, if you wish we can refund this order, I've answered via email to you but also would like to answer here so others are not lead to believe that there is something bad going on here on our part.

Kind regards,
Valentin Kuzub, ICMIZER creator
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10-07-2019 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Harambee
I'll be honest, I have re-read all the FGS articles posted on the ICMIZER website over and over again and I still can't fully wrap my head around how it works.

Can you give an example of where you might think using FGS in a ChipEV scenario would be beneficial?
Not sure about the exact scenario.
FGS generally makes sense cause it takes the dynamic of the blinds into account, which FGS0 or ICM is static. However when I look at actually FGS results with Chip EV oftentimes they make little sense.
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10-07-2019 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Steamy Kangaroo
Is there plans to add functionality to edit weights for multiple hands? For example i choose 50% and then can click 10 hands etc?
Hi
There are currently no plans like that but if there is a big demand for this we might consider it. Are you using the mousewheel to edit weights? It streamlines the process for most players I've contacted so far.

Also out of curiousity, why do you think your opponent is playing 10 hands 50% of the time?
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10-07-2019 , 08:02 PM
Haven't tried mouse wheel to be honest. Gonna test it soon.

I am just used to Simple Postflop, that I choose 50% of hands and then quickly select hands, then choose 30% and select other hands etc.

It was just example if I want to select 10 hands for 50%, it would be quicker to just choose 50% and then click hands I chose. For example against unknown opponent we know some hands will 100% jam, some we are not sure so to play around with different scenarios, I might select 50% that are close to bottom of range, then 25% for hands that are really bottom etc
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10-07-2019 , 10:44 PM
I made the same request but honestly, the mouse wheel feels really smooth and streamlined. Super used to it by now and yeah, I too wouldn't mind the feature but the mouse wheel alternative is pretty damn good I must say.
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10-29-2019 , 04:35 AM
for pkos do we use icm or chip ev? i know there was a time when it had to be set as icm just checking in the newest versions how it needs to be. and the bounties how are they set like sites where pstars listed is double what you actually get but winamx and 888 listed how much you actually get.
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11-01-2019 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by coinflipper
for pkos do we use icm or chip ev? i know there was a time when it had to be set as icm just checking in the newest versions how it needs to be. and the bounties how are they set like sites where pstars listed is double what you actually get but winamx and 888 listed how much you actually get.
Hi
We're about to release PKO support for MTT. Without it, it is hard to offer something meaningful for these tournaments because they are very far from chipEV and standard ICM.

Regarding how to use the bounty field - you need to enter the full bounty there.
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11-05-2019 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hi
We're about to release PKO support for MTT. Without it, it is hard to offer something meaningful for these tournaments because they are very far from chipEV and standard ICM.

Regarding how to use the bounty field - you need to enter the full bounty there.
eta on release?
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11-05-2019 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by coinflipper
eta on release?
Should be this November unless we run into some serious unexpected problems.
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11-11-2019 , 05:15 PM
Is ICMIZER building the full game tree for these spots where there is a raise not-all-in preflop? Or is it using simplifications to make the tree smaller?

Is the program using CFR to calculate the Nash equilibria?

Why are the cEV values denoted with "Push" even in nodes of the tree where there's a raise not-all-in?


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11-12-2019 , 07:42 PM
microgaming hand histories are still not working
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11-12-2019 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by coinflipper
microgaming hand histories are still not working
Hi. If you have problems with the hand histories please forward the file with them to us at support@icmizer.com

Make sure that the text looks good and makes sense ie should be "loadable". Sometimes they have noninteger stacks numbers due to some export bug. These aren't supported by ICMIZER of course, the stacks should be integers.
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11-12-2019 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by EggsMcBluffin
Is ICMIZER building the full game tree for these spots where there is a raise not-all-in preflop? Or is it using simplifications to make the tree smaller?
Hi. Could you be more specific in your definition of a full game tree and of the simplifications?

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Originally Posted by EggsMcBluffin
Is the program using CFR to calculate the Nash equilibria?
We're using the CFR+ algorithm in ICMIZER 3.

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Originally Posted by EggsMcBluffin
Why are the cEV values denoted with "Push" even in nodes of the tree where there's a raise not-all-in?
Not sure I fully understand your question. But on this screenshot the P indicator next to BB range indicates his all-in range vs the raise.
In ICMIZER user interface P stands for first all-in, C for second all-in and O for the third all-in. If I answered the wrong question here please let me know.
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11-12-2019 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hi. If you have problems with the hand histories please forward the file with them to us at support@icmizer.com

Make sure that the text looks good and makes sense ie should be "loadable". Sometimes they have noninteger stacks numbers due to some export bug. These aren't supported by ICMIZER of course, the stacks should be integers.
sent
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11-12-2019 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hi. Could you be more specific in your definition of a full game tree and of the simplifications?


We're using the CFR+ algorithm in ICMIZER 3.



Not sure I fully understand your question. But on this screenshot the P indicator next to BB range indicates his all-in range vs the raise.
In ICMIZER user interface P stands for first all-in, C for second all-in and O for the third all-in. If I answered the wrong question here please let me know.

By "full game tree" I mean every single node of the tree. TBH digging in to the calculation it looks like it's assumed all players play shove or fold in response to raises not-all-in, is that right? That would be an example of a significant simplification to make the tree smaller.

The tree for the screenshot is only 118mb large, I'd expect a multiway tree like that to be much, much, much bigger if it's the full tree with every single node.

The last question, I was referring to how the EVs are denoted "push". Like see how ATs is "+595Push". This is the node of the tree where CO has raised to1050 chips, Why are the EVs called "Push" EVs in that case?
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11-13-2019 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by EggsMcBluffin
By "full game tree" I mean every single node of the tree. TBH digging in to the calculation it looks like it's assumed all players play shove or fold in response to raises not-all-in, is that right? That would be an example of a significant simplification to make the tree smaller.

The tree for the screenshot is only 118mb large, I'd expect a multiway tree like that to be much, much, much bigger if it's the full tree with every single node.

The last question, I was referring to how the EVs are denoted "push". Like see how ATs is "+595Push". This is the node of the tree where CO has raised to1050 chips, Why are the EVs called "Push" EVs in that case?
Hi. Thanks for the clarification.
Yes, we use a simplified tree of course, otherwise ICMIZER wouldn't be as fast.
In 1 Raise situations (like your) ICMIZER builds a tree where first to open player either raises or folds, then other players react to the raise with either push or fold. If there are 2 raisers, then ICMIZER builds tree where first player open raises X, then the next player who doesn't fold reraises Y, and then other players push or fold. Also we only accept 3 active players in the pot.

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Like see how ATs is "+595Push
Ah, I see, right it is confusing. We will consider replacing that with a more precise message. Here we're just comparing the active action with the fold, so green should be read as positive non-fold action, which isn't always a push.
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11-13-2019 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by coinflipper
sent
Hi

Unfortunately, there is bug in that export like I predicted and ICMIZER cannot fix that.

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<Seat num="4" alias="x" unicodealias="cAByAGUAcwBpAGQAZQBuAHQAZABlAHYA" balance="14843.14" endbalance="14683.14"/>
<Seat num="5" alias="y" unicodealias="RgB5AHMAbABlAHgAaQBjAEQAdQBjAGsA" balance="71730.00" endbalance="71570.00" dealer="true"/>
<Seat num="6" alias="z" unicodealias="YgBhAHIAZQBiAGEAYwBrAHkAbwB1AHIAZABh AGQA" balance="21501.50" endbalance="900.50"/>
As you can see the stacks in chips are not integers for some reason.
I could recommend to contact whoever wrote the export tool and to fix that but I am afraid that microgaming will close in about 3 months (from what I've heard) and it is highly unlikely anyone is going to be fixing this problem.
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11-14-2019 , 11:28 AM
Hi there is 1 thing that alwayz confuses me in icmizer. I add a picture. On top its says "hero (btn) call after HJ Push" and in bottom it says +0,23BB Push). So is the ev for call or push ? https://ibb.co/2Z1CSV0
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11-14-2019 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jumalsanderEST
Hi there is 1 thing that alwayz confuses me in icmizer. I add a picture. On top its says "hero (btn) call after HJ Push" and in bottom it says +0,23BB Push). So is the ev for call or push ? https://ibb.co/2Z1CSV0
Hi. Like I wrote 2 posts above, indeed this is confusing.
In ICMIZER we use somewhat special naming for certain actions, push stands for allin which goes first, call for all-in that goes second, and "overcall" stands for all-in which goes 3rd into pot.
So in a way call and all-in are the same, all-in is push, so we could say that when we call someones all-in we actually go all-in or push.. Its indeed very confusing and thanks for bringing this to my attention.
We'll think about this.
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11-25-2019 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Q
Should be this November unless we run into some serious unexpected problems.
update?
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11-26-2019 , 03:17 PM
Hello,
The party poker load hand history from screenshot doesn't seem to be working well.
I uploaded a few screenshots today and it only recognized 1 out of 5 so far and it only read stack sizes and actions the players took correctly it didn't read my hand. And also icmizer keeps asking me for my login every time i open the application even though i have "remember me" option checked.
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11-27-2019 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rusrs
Hello,
The party poker load hand history from screenshot doesn't seem to be working well.
I uploaded a few screenshots today and it only recognized 1 out of 5 so far and it only read stack sizes and actions the players took correctly it didn't read my hand. And also icmizer keeps asking me for my login every time i open the application even though i have "remember me" option checked.
Hi
Currently, the Screenshot loader doesn't attempt to read the hand because there are too many variations of possible ways to display the hand in PP client.
We attempt to read the stack sizes, big blinds and player actions. The whole feature may be removed if we realize that it is too difficult to meet our standards of quality. Currently, it is still in Beta.
Regarding "remember me", we got many ICMIZER clients (web/downloadable Mac/Windows), please send us an email at support@icmizer.com with details and we will look into that problem deeper.
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11-27-2019 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by coinflipper
update?
Hi.
That estimate stands, MTT support for PKO tournaments should arrive tomorrow or Friday
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11-28-2019 , 08:10 PM
A couple ideas:

- toggle switch to turn PKO on/off when reviewing a hand, as it's quite interesting to see the difference between the two strategies at equilibrium. Some graphs would be cool too to map the difference.

- PKO Drills in SNG coach would be amazing.

Cheers!
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