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10-25-2021 , 08:09 AM
Hi Scylla,

How do I get a few flops in a database to resolve? (that were skipped because "Not enough memory")
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10-25-2021 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
Hi Scylla,
How do I get a few flops in a database to resolve? (that were skipped because "Not enough memory")
For that, just solve the database again.
GTO+ will make another attempt to solve the previously skipped trees.

Last edited by scylla; 10-25-2021 at 08:17 AM.
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10-25-2021 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Sorry Scylla, i mean on Edit tree builder.. Here
https://imgur.com/a/wpoyLOe
For that, select "Followed by geometric sizing". If you want to also use geometric sizing for the decision itself, then just navigate to the decision before it, and check there which % it indicates for geometric sizing.

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10-25-2021 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
For that, select "Followed by geometric sizing". If you want to also use geometric sizing for the decision itself, then just navigate to the decision before it, and check there which % it indicates for geometric sizing.

thanks scylla

Last edited by Mates.; 10-25-2021 at 08:49 AM.
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10-25-2021 , 05:50 PM
Totally new to solvers and GTO+. I am trying to input my hand but it says to input a range. Was wondering how do I input single card hands. Thanks for the help and sorry for wasting your time with a simple question lol. Also any suggestions on youtube videos on how do do a walkthrough? I watched the Michael Lukich video and liked it but was wondering about any other suggestions
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10-26-2021 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by teamorange3
Totally new to solvers and GTO+. I am trying to input my hand but it says to input a range. Was wondering how do I input single card hands. Thanks for the help and sorry for wasting your time with a simple question lol. Also any suggestions on youtube videos on how do do a walkthrough? I watched the Michael Lukich video and liked it but was wondering about any other suggestions
GTO analysis assumes that both players know each other's ranges. Because of this, it's inherently range vs range. It's not possible to use range vs hand, because in that case, villain would know your exact hand. As for videos, we offer the ones here: https://www.gtoplus.com/videos/. And, at the very least, watch this one: https://youtu.be/YuRsCQajRBA. It gives a brief overview of the main features, as well as a demonstration on how to connect to FlopzillaPro. Other than that, there's several other videos by third parties on YouTube, although I can not offer specific advice here.

Last edited by scylla; 10-26-2021 at 03:25 AM.
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10-26-2021 , 10:15 AM
Is there a workaround to drill a certain flop from a database?
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10-27-2021 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dial
Is there a workaround to drill a certain flop from a database?
Drilling a specific flop is not a problem.

For that:
1) Load the tree from the database
2) Navigate to the decision that you want to drill
3) Go to the "Play against the solution" feature
4) Select "Drill the current decision"

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10-28-2021 , 10:05 AM
For the bet size, can we add the pot percentage next to the chip value, perhaps in parentheses?

It is more useful to think in terms of pot percentage than of chip value, especially when the tree uses various percentages at each street.
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10-28-2021 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by K_of_diamond
For the bet size, can we add the pot percentage next to the chip value, perhaps in parentheses?

It is more useful to think in terms of pot percentage than of chip value, especially when the tree uses various percentages at each street.
Ok, can you please specify, which part of the interface you're referring to?
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10-28-2021 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Drilling a specific flop is not a problem.

For that:
1) Load the tree from the database
2) Navigate to the decision that you want to drill
3) Go to the "Play against the solution" feature
4) Select "Drill the current decision"

Thanks Scylla. I got it to work after choosing "play versus current tree"
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10-28-2021 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Ok, can you please specify, which part of the interface you're referring to?
There are three obvious places:
- On tree: Top left corner
- The bar: Entire decision/BetX/BetY/.../Check
- Under the hole card matrix: BetX/BetY/.../Check
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10-29-2021 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
For that, just solve the database again.
GTO+ will make another attempt to solve the previously skipped trees.
thank you much
one more question please

if I have a database solved with basic storage, can I edit the tree and remove a turn bet sizing in a specific node, save it edited like that and have it stick that way? i.e. next time I open it, that turn option is no longer there.
should be able to do that right, w/o having to re-solve all flops, seeing as turns and rivers are not yet solved in "basic storage" format?
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10-29-2021 , 04:06 PM
Hi, I have problems with sit and go: 3players in flop stacks: Player 1 8.6bb Player 2: 7.05bb Player 3 (folded) 17.05bb Dead money: 4.8bb.
Total money: 8.6+7.05+17.05+4.80 =37,50
But: the soft says: Total number of chips: 32.70. Dead money is missing.
I put the following entry: Player 1: 8.60 Player 2: 7.05 Player 3: 17.05 Starting Pot 4.80
How I have to set the data to run the hand right?
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10-31-2021 , 12:23 AM
hi,
can I expect any issues if I update to windows 11?
thanks
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10-31-2021 , 01:30 AM
Hi Scylla,

I'm on the market for buying solvers, and after doing some basic research between GTO+, PioSolver, and Simple Postlop, it's no brainer for me to choose GTO+ because it can do everything that the other solvers can do, plus it has play against the solution feature, at a much lower cost and my pc meets the GTO+'s sys req.

However, I have zero experience and knowledge on solvers and I'm afraid that the criteria I input is all wrong. When I buy GTO+, can I ask here what criteria to input e.g. how many sizes, the sizings I'll use, etc?
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11-01-2021 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by K_of_diamond
There are three obvious places:
- On tree: Top left corner
- The bar: Entire decision/BetX/BetY/.../Check
- Under the hole card matrix: BetX/BetY/.../Check
+1 for this. It is often hard to know which betsize is which if you can only see the amount of the betsize.
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11-01-2021 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mamaMarilyn
Hi Scylla,

I'm on the market for buying solvers, and after doing some basic research between GTO+, PioSolver, and Simple Postlop, it's no brainer for me to choose GTO+ because it can do everything that the other solvers can do, plus it has play against the solution feature, at a much lower cost and my pc meets the GTO+'s sys req.

However, I have zero experience and knowledge on solvers and I'm afraid that the criteria I input is all wrong. When I buy GTO+, can I ask here what criteria to input e.g. how many sizes, the sizings I'll use, etc?
GTO+ is awesome for sure.

Figuring out sizing choices and options and good criteria is the (painful) growth process that takes time to become proficient at building good trees. You're going to mess stuff up and learn from it.

You should start with a solved database of 1 sizing per street to get familiar with the software and GTO. Once you complete this baseline database you can then compare your new database sizing to see the differences. Often you will not find much difference in the EVs, but will see great differences in frequencies which is where the learning comes in. Likely you will build several iterations of a database to come up with your final strategy.
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11-02-2021 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
GTO+ is awesome for sure.

Figuring out sizing choices and options and good criteria is the (painful) growth process that takes time to become proficient at building good trees. You're going to mess stuff up and learn from it.

You should start with a solved database of 1 sizing per street to get familiar with the software and GTO. Once you complete this baseline database you can then compare your new database sizing to see the differences. Often you will not find much difference in the EVs, but will see great differences in frequencies which is where the learning comes in. Likely you will build several iterations of a database to come up with your final strategy.
Thank you so much sir!
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11-03-2021 , 11:41 AM
Hi, I am having an issue in that a database of 163 flops is not giving me aggregate totals. I have the OOP first flop action as X, but when looking at Database Distribution there is no blue Check box.

I believe the error is in the flop AsKd2c. I originally solved the database on a smaller subset to test it out, then cleared, and used 163 flops and resolved. The AK2r was in the smaller subset and appeared to be already solved when I imported the 163 boards.

How do I get it so my database is uniform so that I can look at aggregate flop decisions?
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11-04-2021 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by K_of_diamond
There are three obvious places:
- On tree: Top left corner
- The bar: Entire decision/BetX/BetY/.../Check
- Under the hole card matrix: BetX/BetY/.../Check
The percentages for the bets can be obtained by mousing over the relevant bet in the tree.
See the screenshot below.

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11-04-2021 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Pampaseba
Hi, I have problems with sit and go: 3players in flop stacks: Player 1 8.6bb Player 2: 7.05bb Player 3 (folded) 17.05bb Dead money: 4.8bb.
Total money: 8.6+7.05+17.05+4.80 =37,50
But: the soft says: Total number of chips: 32.70. Dead money is missing.
I put the following entry: Player 1: 8.60 Player 2: 7.05 Player 3: 17.05 Starting Pot 4.80
How I have to set the data to run the hand right?
The dead money needs to be added to the pot, given that it can be won by winning the hand.
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11-04-2021 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
Hi, I am having an issue in that a database of 163 flops is not giving me aggregate totals. I have the OOP first flop action as X, but when looking at Database Distribution there is no blue Check box.

I believe the error is in the flop AsKd2c. I originally solved the database on a smaller subset to test it out, then cleared, and used 163 flops and resolved. The AK2r was in the smaller subset and appeared to be already solved when I imported the 163 boards.

How do I get it so my database is uniform so that I can look at aggregate flop decisions?
Can you try deleting the AsKd2c flop from the database?
To delete a tree, use CTRL+right-click.

Other than that, the following requirements apply for aggregate reports:
1) All trees must be identical (same bets, pot, stacks, rake, etc)
2) The preflop range must be suit symmetrical (so AA,KK,AhKh is not suit symmetrical, because there's more h than cds).
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11-04-2021 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Krax
hi,
can I expect any issues if I update to windows 11?
thanks
It works on the computers that I tested it on over here. Also, most users so far have not reported a problem (with the exception of one user). So, most likely there won't be issues, although Windows 11 is of course still relatively new, and there's always a chance of software no longer working properly.

Last edited by scylla; 11-04-2021 at 04:23 AM.
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11-04-2021 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
thank you much
one more question please

if I have a database solved with basic storage, can I edit the tree and remove a turn bet sizing in a specific node, save it edited like that and have it stick that way? i.e. next time I open it, that turn option is no longer there.
should be able to do that right, w/o having to re-solve all flops, seeing as turns and rivers are not yet solved in "basic storage" format?
If any change is made the the turn/river, then this will affect the flop solution as well.
So any edits will mean that the tree will need to be solved again.
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