In v125 it should be possible to run a tree up to 3GB with compression. That being said, if at all possible, please use the 64 bit version, which can assign any amount of RAM (as long as it's present on your system). The 32 bit version is just provided as a service to users who don't have access to a 64 bit system.

Hi, I chose in the default settings to not donk bet if previously havent shown aggression, and left flop unchecked to allow PFR to c bet , and checked the setting for turn and river. However the PRF (player 1) still has donk bets on the river, even after checking turn and calling Player 2 (In position) bet. Did I miss a setting ?

https://imgur.com/a/p97Ne47

Picture of the tree and settings

The "don't donk" option is "unless you've shown aggression previously" (on any street), not "unless you've shown aggression on the previous street". In your example the flop bet count as aggression on a previous street, so the river donk bet is allowed.
To force the no donk bet, add the code 0d as a river sizing.


@scylla, what exactly does "use geometric sizing" mean in the tree builder?

Using a simple example: effective stack of 130 and a pot of 10, meaning that 3 pot sized bets would get all-in by the river.
If I go on the tree builder, edit the flop bet to 100% pot and select "Followed by basic play (geometric bet sizing)", it doesn't use two pot sized bets on the turn and river, and it leaves money behind. It for some reason uses a 54% sizing, which would be a good geometric sizing if there was another street after the river :P

To me, the point of using geometric sizing is to get all-in by the river, so I don't understand this behavior. Is there a setting to specify the number of streets left or something?

Thanks

That doesn't show on my workstation where I don't have monitors connected but use remote control to get access and have very low resolution (have tried to increase the resolution without success) and those folder icons are not showing.

https://gyazo.com/7b93dc622dad5e2ac09cbca20ce6e1a5

EDIT: I'm using the "Screen can be below 1600x900" option in the settings

Geometric bet sizing will get the money in in such a manner that all bets will be the same % of the pot. The % that is used is the one closest to 66%. So apparently, getting the money in in 3 bets was the smoothest way of accomplishing this.

If you have the "1600x900" option on, then it sounds as if the remote control is simply not sending you the whole window. Is it possible for you to scale the window down a bit so that it fits in your screen?

Hey scylla,would it be possible to add feature to magnify the range matrix while exploring the solution? Espescially on the river it gets quite small. But would also live to see it for flop and turn.
Cheers Gio

Would you consider changing this behaviour? Or adding a way to specify the number of bets we want? (Maybe just use the number of bets that is currently selected in the basic tree builder tab, that way you don't have to create a whole new menu somewhere).

As it is now, I don't really see how that can be useful. Geometric sizing is interesting when I want to get all-in by the river. If I'm not stacking off, then I'm just going to use my normal sizes.


Or another way to do it would be to let us specify the maximum bet size we want to use with the option "With only 2 bets left, get the money in smoothly" in the advanced tree builder.
For what I understand it works the same way as geometric sizing, it's not "2 bets left" but more "2 bets close to 66% left".
So maybe just give us a box to change that 66% to something else? (As you do with the "Add/Go all-in if push less than xx% pot")


Or a third option (probably the best) that has been requested before, just do it like Pio and allow sizings like 1e, 2e or 3e for geometric sizing over 1, 2 or 3 streets, directly in the advanced tree builder.


I hope I'm not beeing to annoying with this, but in my opinion, that's the only feature that GTO+ is missing
Thanks!

I can take it under consideration. That being said, the "geometric bet sizing" option is just intended as a quick way of finishing up a tree. If you find that that the bet sizes from geometric sizing or the sizes from your profiles are not sufficient for your needs, then an alternative would be to manually set whichever bet sizes that you're looking for.

Ok, I will consider it for future releases.

I know, that's why I'd like to have the 1e,2e,3e options.
Right now I use an excel sheet to calculate the geometric sizes I need to input, but it would be simpler if GTO+ could do it on its own.

How has GTO+ worked for you through CrossOver overall? Was thinking about getting it and looking for alternatives as a Mac user. And why doesn't the 64 bit version work, is it because of CrossOver or your mac os?

Is there any plan of a GTO+ release for Mac?

It's not possible for me to discuss development plans.

It's currently a limitation in CrossOver.
I do believe that Parallels supports 64bit.

Ok, I will consider it for later releases.

Do not know if answered yet, or for future reference, while this cpu is 4 core, the GHZ is lowered to 1.8, not 2 as in the download description.

Because I can not afford to buy new pc at this time. I have CREV (the latest) and Simple GTO trainer. CREV works just fine for my needs, and can delete trees, manipulate better than GTO+. I purchased the core pack for Simple GTO trainer, and have plenty to study for around 154 + tax.

I haven't used GTO+ in a while but I hadn't run into any issues in particular. Only limitation was the memory (which of course can be a significant issue if you're planning on solving large trees) but apart from that it was fine. Regarding 64bit support, CrossOver claim to support some 64bit applications but GTO+ doesn't seem to work (couldn't get it to work on Sierra or High Sierra using either the 18.5 or 19 CrossOver version).

I'm fairly certain that the 64bit version will work just fine using any virtualisation method (i.e. Parallels) if you're interested in that.

Hi, still getting donk bets on river after inputting 0d into 1st bet . Is this tree set up correct ?

https://imgur.com/a/uyg1gNO

Does it work if you turn off "With only 2 bets get the money in smoothly"?

hello can you add air to range composition as well? https://gyazo.com/40e2231c79ca73e558669e03463de5f3
somewhere with oesd gutshot flushdraw types, it would be all no made hands that are not flushdraw gutshot or OESD so just pure bluffs with almost no equity

Ok, I will see what I can do for later releases.

Hi. I have a problem with "not enough memory"

I have 128GB RAM and the following settings. A friend with the same setup can solve this easily.

https://gyazo.com/3640b87a45d00957dddfbcb3a4f0604d

https://gyazo.com/a8462029d487303073a0c6e488734459

Hi Scylla,

After seeing this in another save file, I looked into it and saw that I was using two preflop ranges for the whole database. e.g. flop AJ2 is using the MP range I assigned and KQ4 is using the CO range I assigned. I am not sure this is it but thought I should flag.

The savefile itself needs approximately 9GB for storage as well. So please try creating a tree that's a bit smaller. As an extra measure, for very large trees with wide ranges, please turn ON "Run indefinitely if solver has trouble converging". To get to this option, click on the "GB" icon in the left of the interface.

Yes, if the trees are not uniform (different ranges/bets) then it's not possible to display an aggregate report (this is only possible if all trees are the same). In this event, the flop filters are not displayed. We may change this for later releases, but there's some technical/interface challenges involved.