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01-11-2020 , 01:52 PM
I have a question about one feature which would be useful to study exploitative play: is it possible to force a player to call by somehow deleting the branch fold from a certain node of the tree?
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01-11-2020 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
Hey scylla,

Could you add the 2 different display methods for ranges to the Starting ranges editor? I like display method 2 a lot more.
I'm talking about this thing here:


Thanks
Ok, I will consider it for later releases.
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01-11-2020 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jblack94
I have a question about one feature which would be useful to study exploitative play: is it possible to force a player to call by somehow deleting the branch fold from a certain node of the tree?
This is currently not available in the editor, given that folding should usually always be an option.
I can consider it for later releases, but right at this moment it's not there.
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01-11-2020 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
Hey scylla,

Could you add the 2 different display methods for ranges to the Starting ranges editor? I like display method 2 a lot more.
I'm talking about this thing here:


Thanks
+1
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01-11-2020 , 07:48 PM
When a flop is finished solving in a database, it would be awesome if GTO+ would save it automatically so if the computer crashes before all flops are finished, we would start from the last solved flop and not entire database. Right now we have to manually save after each flop is finished.
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01-11-2020 , 08:50 PM
Sometimes I am getting this weird bug where I run the sim w multiple bet sizes but the solver just gives me the default bet size. Idk why this is or how to fix it.

https://gyazo.com/fd2671ba4c4fa9fdaf6b37959142eb77
https://gyazo.com/9d7e922f6702dd4eabf48e12c79ac041
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01-12-2020 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mamelas
Sometimes I am getting this weird bug where I run the sim w multiple bet sizes but the solver just gives me the default bet size. Idk why this is or how to fix it.

https://gyazo.com/fd2671ba4c4fa9fdaf6b37959142eb77
https://gyazo.com/9d7e922f6702dd4eabf48e12c79ac041
If players are very close to all-in, then the tree builder will take over and make the two final bets with geometric bet sizing. This is in order to ensure that the final play makes sense for the stack-to-pot ratio. Otherwise a player might make a 70% pot bet and only be left with a 35% pot bet. Should you prefer not to do this, then turn off "With only two bets left, get the money in smoothly".


Last edited by scylla; 01-12-2020 at 06:24 AM.
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01-12-2020 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Baruka
When a flop is finished solving in a database, it would be awesome if GTO+ would save it automatically so if the computer crashes before all flops are finished, we would start from the last solved flop and not entire database. Right now we have to manually save after each flop is finished.
For this, use the folder icon and solve all files in a directory.
In this case the file will be saved after every solved tree.

It's not possible for us to offer this with regular solving.
For example, let's say you load a saved file, make some edits and run the solver.
If we used auto-save, then your savefile would now be overwritten.

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01-12-2020 , 08:57 PM
I have lots off presolved simple preflop ranges ( bin files) is there anyway to import those to the GTO+ ( or to FlopzilaPRO and then to the GTO+)?

Also, how to describe preflop action ( is this an option in GTO+) when creating flop solution?
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01-12-2020 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
I have lots off presolved simple preflop ranges ( bin files) is there anyway to import those to the GTO+ ( or to FlopzilaPRO and then to the GTO+)?

Also, how to describe preflop action ( is this an option in GTO+) when creating flop solution?
I am pretty sure it is very basic but I am complete beginner.
I just want to see is where any way to describe preflop action( who was preflop aggressor? was it 3 bet pot?) when creating flop solution.
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01-13-2020 , 01:20 AM
Just bought GTO+ and FlopzilaPRO. I am kind of overwhelmed and lost.

Anybody have some premade solutions to play against.
I am trying to create training pack ( like the ones for Simple GTO trainer if it is possible) to practice against the bot( BTN vs BB, SB vs SB in SRP, 3bet pots and etc. ). Anybody could lead me in the wright direction? Youtube has very limited videos on GTO+.
Any study groups dedicated for GTO+?
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01-13-2020 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
I am pretty sure it is very basic but I am complete beginner.

I just want to see is where any way to describe preflop action( who was preflop aggressor? was it 3 bet pot?) when creating flop solution.
U just enter the pot size,rake and cap when creating a tree and before that the ranges for opp and ip players.What was the action preflop is irrelevant ,it's all put into the starting pot.To train against solution like in SimpleGTO trainer u need to do a script, to solve a spot with a subset of flops.U can do that when clicking run solver and choosing advanced feature,activate database mode,import flops from file( u need to enter the number of subsets that r created by Scylla,I usually solve for 55 but u can see all available when holding a cursor into the blank without clicking).It will take a lot of time to solve for big subsets and 100bb deep.After solving u can train against solution.
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01-13-2020 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
Just bought GTO+ and FlopzilaPRO. I am kind of overwhelmed and lost.



Anybody have some premade solutions to play against.

I am trying to create training pack ( like the ones for Simple GTO trainer if it is possible) to practice against the bot( BTN vs BB, SB vs SB in SRP, 3bet pots and etc. ). Anybody could lead me in the wright direction? Youtube has very limited videos on GTO+.

Any study groups dedicated for GTO+?
GTO+ and FlopzillaPro are a great combo but there r hundreds of spots to solve before and use them as a training.Let say UTG vs BTN.Single raised, 3bet spot,4bet spot...2x open,3xopen,pot open...then post flop models depending of the sizings of bets u used...A lot of spots to solve first than train against solution.
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01-13-2020 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
Just bought GTO+ and FlopzilaPRO. I am kind of overwhelmed and lost.

Anybody have some premade solutions to play against.
I am trying to create training pack ( like the ones for Simple GTO trainer if it is possible) to practice against the bot( BTN vs BB, SB vs SB in SRP, 3bet pots and etc. ). Anybody could lead me in the wright direction? Youtube has very limited videos on GTO+.
Any study groups dedicated for GTO+?
It's probably preferable to just create spots that you're interested in, given that in this manner you'll have the appropriate starting ranges and stack-to-pot ratio. This is rather hard to accomplish with training packs that were only created with a non-specific purpose.
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01-13-2020 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
I have lots off presolved simple preflop ranges ( bin files) is there anyway to import those to the GTO+ ( or to FlopzilaPRO and then to the GTO+)?

Also, how to describe preflop action ( is this an option in GTO+) when creating flop solution?
We support pio format, but not bin files. As for the preflop action, this is actually not relevant for GTO solving. All that the solver needs for any spot is the ranges, pot and effective stacks. It doesn't matter how you got in a certain spot. All that matters is how to best proceed from that point on. That being said, the preflop action will be contained in the ranges, the stacks and the pot. For example, if the preflop action went "BB raises, SB calls", then the ranges and the pot will be different from when the preflop action went "BB raises, SB 3bets, BB calls". So, the ranges, stacks and pot are all that the solver needs to know.

Last edited by scylla; 01-13-2020 at 06:33 AM.
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01-13-2020 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
We support pio format, but not bin files. As for the preflop action, this is actually not relevant for GTO solving. All that the solver needs for any spot is the ranges, pot and effective stacks. It doesn't matter how you got in a certain spot. All that matters is how to best proceed from that point on. That being said, the preflop action will be contained in the ranges, the stacks and the pot. For example, if the preflop action went "BB raises, SB calls", then the ranges and the pot will be different from when the preflop action went "BB raises, SB 3bets, BB calls". So, the ranges, stacks and pot are all that the solver needs to know.


Also, if simulating a 3bet pot, make sure to disable “don’t donk”.
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01-13-2020 , 03:24 PM
Random feature request: is it possible to give an option to “pause solver” instead of only “stop solver”? My use case is I’m running a long running database but want to pause that and run a different solve (in a different instance of the program) without the two instances competing for CPU. But if I hit “stop solver” on the database it then has to re-solve the current tree from scratch.
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01-13-2020 , 06:40 PM
I managed to get lots off solved solutions from other people but then I try to play the solution it freezes my laptop ( intel i7 8gb RAM). http://www.zenithpoker.com/library/
I was under impression that if you run the solved solution it will not have to recalculate then you practice using play the solution or the database or was I wrong and I will not be able to run GTO+ smoothly on my machine. Does all the calculations are redone all the time when you play against the solutions thus you need powerful system in order to run it smoothly?
I was able to run Simple GTO Trainer training packs( playing against the solutions) without any issues on the same laptop.
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01-13-2020 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ballin4life
Random feature request: is it possible to give an option to “pause solver” instead of only “stop solver”? My use case is I’m running a long running database but want to pause that and run a different solve (in a different instance of the program) without the two instances competing for CPU. But if I hit “stop solver” on the database it then has to re-solve the current tree from scratch.
+1
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01-14-2020 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
I managed to get lots off solved solutions from other people but then I try to play the solution it freezes my laptop ( intel i7 8gb RAM). http://www.zenithpoker.com/library/
I was under impression that if you run the solved solution it will not have to recalculate then you practice using play the solution or the database or was I wrong and I will not be able to run GTO+ smoothly on my machine. Does all the calculations are redone all the time when you play against the solutions thus you need powerful system in order to run it smoothly?
I was able to run Simple GTO Trainer training packs( playing against the solutions) without any issues on the same laptop.
Can you try using "Extensive storage" instead of "Basic storage"?
In this case turn data is stored, and won't need to be recalculated.


Last edited by scylla; 01-14-2020 at 05:21 AM.
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01-14-2020 , 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ballin4life
Random feature request: is it possible to give an option to “pause solver” instead of only “stop solver”? My use case is I’m running a long running database but want to pause that and run a different solve (in a different instance of the program) without the two instances competing for CPU. But if I hit “stop solver” on the database it then has to re-solve the current tree from scratch.
Ok, I think that I can add a small "Pause" button next to "Stop solver".
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01-14-2020 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by disident
U just enter the pot size,rake and cap when creating a tree and before that the ranges for opp and ip players.What was the action preflop is irrelevant ,it's all put into the starting pot.To train against solution like in SimpleGTO trainer u need to do a script, to solve a spot with a subset of flops.U can do that when clicking run solver and choosing advanced feature,activate database mode,import flops from file( u need to enter the number of subsets that r created by Scylla,I usually solve for 55 but u can see all available when holding a cursor into the blank without clicking).It will take a lot of time to solve for big subsets and 100bb deep.After solving u can train against solution.
Any video tutorials on that?
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01-14-2020 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Can you try using "Extensive storage" instead of "Basic storage"?
In this case turn data is stored, and won't need to be recalculated.

the databases I got are all 100MB plus thus I am pretty sure they all are extensive storage.
Then I start playing the solution and reach the turn the PC crashes ( or becomes very slow). Dell XPS 13 9370 Laptop: Core i7-8550U, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD
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01-14-2020 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
Any video tutorials on that?
Ues,on Gto+ web,the last video tutorial.On YouTube search for Micro Donk user channel. He has some videos on GTO+.
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01-15-2020 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
the databases I got are all 100MB plus thus I am pretty sure they all are extensive storage.
Then I start playing the solution and reach the turn the PC crashes ( or becomes very slow). Dell XPS 13 9370 Laptop: Core i7-8550U, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD
Is it possible for you to send a savefile to support?
I can try over here to see if I can replicate your issue.
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