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06-21-2013 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bollo
I see, I thought/hoped this function was available postflop. In the postflop pop up we can excel export the ev/eq's, but as we speak there is no way to export these as a list ranked by ev/eq?
eg.

AdKc5h

AA 95.3%
KK 94.9%
......
No, that's not possible, because AcAd will probably perform differently from AsAh. You would need to make a ranking for the individual combos. Now, although this is technically doable, a larger question is if it's reasonable to expect that someone would ever need that. If not, then such a toggle would needlessly complicate the interface. The Alt+R toggle preflop on the other hand serves to be used in conjunction with the hand ranking editor, which is why it's there.
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06-21-2013 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
No, that's not possible, because AcAd will probably perform differently from AsAh. You would need to make a ranking for the individual combos. Now, although this is technically doable, a larger question is if it's reasonable to expect that someone would ever need that. If not, then such a toggle would needlessly complicate the interface. The Alt+R toggle preflop on the other hand serves to be used in conjunction with the hand ranking editor, which is why it's there.
I'd find this more than reasonable; very useful in fact, as I'm sure would many others. Currently, there's no straight forward way to visualize the percentile hand strength of hands in a range. Knowing the topx% and bottomx% of our range on boards like 8c9c6c is an important and under developed skill in holdem.

Pokerranger does this very well, with regard to combos it gives the user the option to toggle between individual combos AsAh and singular ones AA.

http://www.pokerranger.net/Features/EquityTables

(I have 0 affiliation with pokerranger, BTW)
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06-21-2013 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bollo
I'd find this more than reasonable; very useful in fact, as I'm sure would many others. Currently, there's no straight forward way to visualize the percentile hand strength of hands in a range. Knowing the topx% and bottomx% of our range on boards like 8c9c6c is an important and under developed skill in holdem.
Here's the problem. Having an option that shows a list of 1000 combos in order does indeed sound cool, but that's really all it is. It has no practical purpose. No one will actually scroll through that list and get anything out of it. It's already completely obvious what the nuts is on that board. And what strong hands are, and what marginal hands are, what trash is, etc. The problem here is that only a computer could possibly do anything with a list of individual combos.

Displaying such a list is a feature that looks impressive, but adds nothing. For 9c8c6c it's going to show a list that starts with dozens of (straight) flushes and ends with complete trash. People will just glance at the top of the list, realize that, indeed, flushes are best and that there's tons of them, and move on.

I've easily had 100 requests for menu items/toggles/buttons/other of comparable value. And each is similarly cool/fun/other. But the problem is that adding 100 additional options complicates the interface. When desiging an interface, sometimes choices need to be made. Your feature request is cool, but unfortunately it doesn't make the cut.

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Originally Posted by Bollo
Currently, there's no straight forward way to visualize the percentile hand strength of hands in a range.
I just wanted to give some feedback here. The human brain isn't capable of doing anything with a list of 1000 items. It's for that reason that it's often a good idea to show something in a graph, or a pie chart. Or anything like that. But just showing a list of 1000 items isn't "visualizing" anything. It's just ... a list that your brain can't do anything with. At best there's still a step missing where that data is arranged into something meaningful.

I realize that you want some way of getting an idea of how a range is composed, but a list of the individual combos does not achieve that particular goal. Typically, you should just check how often certain hand types (flushes, overpair+fd, overpair+no_fd, etc) will occur on that board. That will tell you more than any list because your brain ís capable of dealing with thát type of information.

Last edited by scylla; 06-21-2013 at 01:01 PM.
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06-25-2013 , 10:39 AM
Hello. What are minimum and recommended system requirements for crev? I mean I have i3 2.6Ghz and 5k MB and pretty happy with it's performance, but if I run crev at, say, celeron 1.8Ghz 2.5k MB, what will be the difference in speed of calculations? Will it be significant?
Thanks in advance.
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06-25-2013 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pkmikhail2
Hello. What are minimum and recommended system requirements for crev? I mean I have i3 2.6Ghz and 5k MB and pretty happy with it's performance, but if I run crev at, say, celeron 1.8Ghz 2.5k MB, what will be the difference in speed of calculations? Will it be significant?
Thanks in advance.
Hi pkmikhail2,

CREV comes with an infinite trial, so testing its speed on any system should be fairly straightforward. For what it's worth, it runs pretty well on my 7 year old, nearly dead laptop. However, it's really hard to define minimum recommendations, as each PC system is unique. Speed is not just determined by memory and processor speed, but also by things like the video card, virus scanners, what else is running on the system that might slow it down, etc. So I can't really give any guarantees here based on just processor speed and memory.

Cheers,

Scylla
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06-26-2013 , 10:28 AM
Thanks for the recent quick help Scylla! Great customer service!
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06-26-2013 , 03:53 PM
Hi Scylla

Havent run CRev in a long time and when i tried to day this window appears
but then nothing happens.

Any idea?
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06-26-2013 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Shark Junge
Hi Scylla

Havent run CRev in a long time and when i tried to day this window appears
but then nothing happens.

Any idea?
Please upgrade to the latest version.
You can download it here:
http://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html

Other than that, please check if your computer's date is set correctly.
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06-27-2013 , 07:27 AM
cheers, worked like a charm.
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06-28-2013 , 10:00 PM
curious if any mtt'ers or SNG players are making good use of this program??
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06-29-2013 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2
curious if any mtt'ers or SNG players are making good use of this program??
I do not play tournaments and do crev calculations myself, but I would guess that for those tasks crEV even would be more rewarding than for cash games.

A) there is much less room for postflop or just playing in tournaments duelower pot stack ratio, so trees r much smaller. That means that calculations will need less assumtions, results will be more reliable and that provide you not just trust about program but even motivation to work with it.

B) In tournaments ranges and stacks,prices, various ratios are much more dynamic so ablity to use graphs and action scripts could be extremely good.

It is a tool and only you are only person that will be responsible what you will squeeze out from crEV
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06-29-2013 , 04:04 PM
Hi, I'm a NEWBIE here does this work for BOVADA here in the US? Thank you guys!
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06-30-2013 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by yakuzareds
Hi, I'm a NEWBIE here does this work for BOVADA here in the US? Thank you guys!
Importing hands is not really that much of an important step in CardRunnersEV. It's just an additional feature. You can easily do without it.

That being said, it's probably best if you just have a look CardRunnersEV's trial version to see if it's something that you're interested in. If you're looking for more information on what CardRunnersEV is or what it can do, then please visit its website.
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07-01-2013 , 03:54 PM
Hello guys

I have been working around with the program among other things i have tried to do the equilibrium that Scylla does in the tutorial videos, but everytime it is time to come up with a result the program just shows a completly white pages, any suggestions to what im doing wrong
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07-01-2013 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ananas
Hello guys

I have been working around with the program among other things i have tried to do the equilibrium that Scylla does in the tutorial videos, but everytime it is time to come up with a result the program just shows a completly white pages, any suggestions to what im doing wrong
Hi Ananas,

It sounds like a bug.
Could you send a savefile and the script to support please?
You'll find the script in the /scripts subdirectory.

Thank you in advance,

Scylla
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07-02-2013 , 10:09 AM
IF I click on button CrEV BETA VERSION there is comming a pop up that say the program will start with 5 sec. and then nothink happens aand the pop up closed?
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07-02-2013 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by thegrinder12
IF I click on button CrEV BETA VERSION there is comming a pop up that say the program will start with 5 sec. and then nothink happens aand the pop up closed?
Could you please update to the latest version?
You can download it here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html

Other than that, please check if your computer's date is set correctly.
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07-05-2013 , 11:47 AM
Delete action changes not only caller but raiser percentages too. How it alters raiser ? It's way to apply it only to caller ?
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07-05-2013 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ElvisAlive
Delete action changes not only caller but raiser percentages too. How it alters raiser ? It's way to apply it only to caller ?
The delete action will retroactively delete about half of the "Raise 20" lines.
However, the fold line is never deleted.

Example
For example, let's say you have 40 raise scenarios and 60 fold scenarios.
This means that you raise 40% of the time.
But now you delete half of the raises.
Now you have 20 raises versus 60 folds.
Because of that, you now raise 20/(20+60)*100%=25%
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07-08-2013 , 02:48 PM
how do i delete nodges?

+ the checkpoints i set are not going to be recognized, i still get the message "set checkpoint"

Last edited by poporella; 07-08-2013 at 03:02 PM.
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07-08-2013 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by poporella
how do i delete nodges?
To delete a condition, select it by left-clicking it, and press Del on your keyboard.

To delete an action, select it by left-clicking it, and press Del on your keyboard.

To delete a node, select the action that points to it, and press Del on your keyboard.

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Originally Posted by poporella
the checkpoints i set are not going to be recognized, i still get the message "set checkpoint"
To set a checkpoint, press F10 (or click the checkpoint icon in the toolbar) and then click on the node that you want to assign the checkpoint to.
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07-10-2013 , 09:40 AM
where i can download the exemple from your youtube videos: CardRunnersEV manual: Introduction
it says http://www.cardrunnersev.com/demovideo.rar
but nothing here
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07-10-2013 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by J_RAMONES
where i can download the exemple from your youtube videos: CardRunnersEV manual: Introduction
it says http://www.cardrunnersev.com/demovideo.rar
but nothing here
It's in www.cardrunnersev.com/savefiles/demovideo.rar

I still need to go over all the videos for the final release, so it's indeed possible that the link in the video is outdated. Sorry about that.
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07-10-2013 , 04:33 PM
100NL utg opens 3bb QQ+,btn 3bet 9bb KK+,utg 4bet KK+ &fold QQ, 5bet allin&call
next to the utg 4bet the sofware says AA_KK 53.8%
QQ 46.2%
sorry but i must be missing something,it should be 66% and 33%
where im wrong?
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07-10-2013 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by J_RAMONES
100NL utg opens 3bb QQ+,btn 3bet 9bb KK+,utg 4bet KK+ &fold QQ, 5bet allin&call
next to the utg 4bet the sofware says AA_KK 53.8%
QQ 46.2%
sorry but i must be missing something,it should be 66% and 33%
where im wrong?
It's probably easiest if you send a savefile to support.
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