Please check if your computer's date is set correctly.

Also, please check if the following files are present in the software's main directory: CardRunnersEV.exe, CardRunnersEV_T.exe and CardRunnersEV_C.exe.
If they are all present, try if you can run CardRunnersEV_T.exe or CardRunnersEV_C.exe manually.

Another thing that may cause this issue is your virus scanner, which may be preventing the software from running. So, please check if setting an exception solves the issue.

If the above still does not help, please mail support.

Well, no, since the purpose of the tool is to find the optimal range versus a perfectly reacting villain.

If you want to find the optimal shoving range versus a certain calling range for villain, then just set up the tree where you assign villain his calling range. Shove for "all hands" and compute. Now mouse over the shoving condition and press Alt+D to remove the -EV hands. That should give you the optimal shoving range versus villain.

Button raises from 10 to 90.
So his investment is $80 (and not $90, given that he had already put in $10).

In 60% of the cases he will win the pot.
This pot will be $60, however you've set rake at 5%, cap at $3 and rakeback at 35%.
So he'll only win a $60-$1.95 pot, so $58.05.

In 40% of the cases he'll lose his $80.

That makes his EV 60%*$58.05-40%*$80=$2.83.

Having trouble with scripts, for me its very inconsistent whether a variable gets controlled by a script or not and i can't figure out why

First example

I take the SB raising 100% and BB defending 65%, then i want the SBs equity on say 5 random boards



This just produces a straight line graph

Second example

I have the SB opening 1-100% of his hands using var 1, versus the 65% range of the BB. I want to find the EV of the BBs defense range. again a straight line graph

OMG - lol, I´d love to be able to say it was just a test. Damn! Anyways, thanks for the quick answer.

Before invoking the Eq() or EV() command you'll need to perform an EV run.
If you don't perform an EV run then there's no data present and EV/equity data can not be measured in the tree.

Ty sir.

Is there anyway to loop through random hands of a range and graph their equity on a specific board?

EDIT: Not sure if thats clear enough as to what i want to do, say i have a range of the top 60% of hands, i want to loop through it 10 times and pick a different set of holecards each time to measure its equity on a TT4 board

No, scripts do not offer that function.

hello scylla,

I want to find an equilibrium for 50bb stacks in cashgame,

there are 2 players, one openraising and the other one 3bets him in position,

the openraiser has just the options to push 50bb directly or folds.

How can I solve this with Cardrunners ev, I have tried some combinations of exploit.-play and optimal shoving for both payers, but it didnt work.

Do you have some ideas about that?

Hi,

an idea for suggestion box:
when you hover over an action or a condition a grid appears with all the EV's in.
Is it possible to add a shortkey (ie Ctrl+H) that copies all combo's/hands from that action or condition to the clipboard?
Would be a nice feature as you have to avoid: hover & Alt-O & click first line & home & Ctrl+end & arrow down (if alot of hands) & Ctrl+C to copy all hands/combo's to the clipboard.

Have you seen the videos on working with scripts?
I think almost this exact situation is discussed there.
Or you could just write a script that goes over all top percentages for SB, after which you make BB push and keep track of the results with a graph.

Please go here to download the beta:
http://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html
Click on "Click here for the beta of the software".
The instructional videos on scripts are linked to in the beta's startup screen under the "Videos" section.

I don't think this adds anough to the interface to justify adding another toggle. Every button/toggle/menu item/other that is added to the interface will make it more complex.

thank you, actually I had a old version of CREV, now Im using the Beta.

I will work through the vids and see if I can solve the equilibrium

Personally, I'd think you're a bit too worried about complex interface. When people get to the point where they want things done efficiently, they don't care if they need to memorize one more key combo. (I'm not talking about this specific case, I've seen the same argument before.)

Plus you're working on a beta... if people complain about too many hotkeys or menu options, you can still take them off later

That may be trivial question, but is it possible to compare EV of 2 lines in one hands? Lets say A3s on K96s bet vs check on flop in 3b pot? I don't want to make 2 different hands and then compare but rather use only one window with this 2 option.

Finally, I created an Equilibrium for the situation above.

I'll post the results here, so you can have a look over it, I hope I have done everything correctly.






I'm not sure whether the results are right or wrong.

CO's line makes sense, since BU risks 7bb to win 11bb, he needs 7/11 = 0,63 foldequity to make profit with any2 cards. So CO needs to defend 0,37 ~ 0,4. The result for CO gives that back.

BU actually 3bets with top 6% and calls the shove with his entire range.
Here I would suggest that his 3betting range includes some bluffs. The result shows that he is only 3betting for value.

Does that fit to an equilibrium?

EDIT: I missed something to say, the openraising range of CO (25%) should stay the same.

For that, please watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e2hNiThSIM

Given that Cutoff's action is strongly -EV, I doubt that this is the equilibrium.
An equilibrium can only be reached if you also include his open-raise action in the processs. The current open-raise frequency apparently makes it impossible for Cutoff to combat BU. Also, you should us a dynamic, EV-based ranking instead of the static one.

Hey man, I have another quick question.




How do I figure out the EV in dollars of each player in this tree. If i play this scenario out 100k times, how do i figure out who is winning money and who is losing money?

Thanks

The purpose of this software is to let you build a decision tree, of which it will calculate the EV for every decision+action+condition+hand. In the pic you're showing right now nothing like that has been done yet. It just appears to be a hand history that's been loaded. First and foremost I would like to recommend that you watch the instructional videos in order to learn what this software does and how decision trees work.

I tried watching the video and it didn't help. I don't understand though. You say that I need to build a decision tree and then it will calculate the EV of each decision. Well, here is my tree, I hit the EV button and on each node are the results. I could sit and do all that by hand but it would take ages and right now I am not seeing how this software simplifies anything. It is just spitting out random useless numbers which has taken me 5 threads and about 1 week to even get a tiny bit of information on.

Hi Blastoise,

The pic you've linked to above is not really a decision tree. For a start, it's not a tree; it's just a single line. Look, I notice that you've only joined these forums 3 weeks ago and have been (and are) very actively posting throughout this period. If you're new to mathematics and poker, then I think it's probably best if you start elsewhere than with this software, since this software is more aimed at people who have been active for a longer period of time and want to dig deeper and do their own mathematical research. There's a lot of great books and training sites around to get you started on this subject and I would recommend starting there.

Cheers,

Scylla

Thanks for the reply. I am not new to poker or mathematics. I can do EV calcs and have played a lot of hands @ 6max cash. beside's that, I think I am just tilting a bit. I bought the software thinking it would be easier than it is, and that's only my fault, nobody else's. But I really enjoy working with ranges and numbers and stuff and it's pissing me off that I can't work out how to use it. admittedly I have been somewhat lazy in my learning to use this software, but I did watch 2 video's (the first on of your's on CR and another guy's from Leggo) but neither of them explained anything about using this tool as an advantage in poker games. It was just, this button does this and this button does that and now I am afraid of sitting down and wasting 1 hour of precious grinding time to just be told what the buttons do.

All I want to know is how to use the random numbers on the interface to make simple EV calculation. It's pretty obvious that either UTG or BTN is winning losing money here and with these preset parameters it should be super easy to figure out but I struggle to use whatever information this tool has given me to determine that. It's ok if you can't reply with the answer, and it's pointless me posting in poker theory section because you get 1 reply every 3 days and never the right thing I am looking for, so I guess I'll just spend 10 hours watching every single video on how to use the buttons and then if I can't figure it out I'll revert to doing everything by hand again.

Hi Blastoise,

Ok, I've read your reply and I'll just go over it.

I'm sure that you've played plenty of 6max hands. However, and please don't take this as an insult, I'm fairly certain you do not know how to do EV calcs as well as you think. I would really like to suggest reading a bit more about that subject.

And yes, you seem to be tilting a bit. Please don't take that out on me.

Your main issue here seems to be that you still need to learn how to do mathematical analysis.
You won't get that out of this software, since it assumes that you already know how to do that.

This software is a calculator.
And with that, I mean one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculator.

And like a calculator, how to do mathematics is not in the manual.
The manual just discusses how the buttons work.

Doing analysis is something you should try to learn from books.

Actually, this question is almost impossible to answer from a mathematical point of view; there's just not enough data.

The main problem right now seems to be that you don't really understand how EV analysis should be done. You mention that you can do it by hand, but I can give you an absolute 100% ironclad guarantee that you can't. The fact that you're trying to answer a question that's mathematically impossible to answer and consider it "super easy" kind of suggests that you don't have full control of this subject (yet).

The quality of answers that you'll get in the Theory forum will heavily depend on the quality of your questions. People are unlikely to take much time in answering your questions if you don't appear to have taken much time yourself in asking the question.


I would really recommend reading a few books on the matter. Personally I started out with Sklansky's books, and found them to be very helpful in getting started in performing analysis.

Anyhow, I'm not trying to be hurtful here, but I feel you deserve an honest evaluation. I don't think you'll get anywhere in the mathematical area until you spend some time learning more about it. This software is not the place to start. Just like a regular calculator (once again, one of these) is not a good place to start if you want to learn algebra. It's more a tool that you use to apply that knowledge áfter you have mastered it.


PS:
Oh, I notice you've just started a new thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...-math-1324146/.
That's probably a better place to start!

yes. I appreciate your response a lot, so thank you. I know I probably came across as a bit of a troll when i posted in here, but I needed to just say what i thought instead of beating around the bush and getting some pointless answer. I really appreciate the time you took to reply and give me some pointers.

One last question, can you recommend a book or something to get started on learning the mathematics? I just want to learn and have no clue where to start.

thanks again.