Woody appears to be in his late 40s in 1995 so I think we can assume he got his 20 year pension.

Yeah I'm saying look at his boss, and his boss, etc. Woody's character seems well respected, one of the guys, a player who would be ideal for climbing the promotion ladder. Agree/disagree? But this didn't happen. I think there is a reason.

shak-That's not a crucial detail at the time it was said, and it certainly wouldn't have been in the first 30 minutes of the show (after two episodes and seeing where it's headed, it's become important), where we know next to nothing about the characters. And I'd be the first one to admit that I'm missing a lot of the minute details of the show, and need to watch each episode twice (just haven't had the time). I find the visual and sound of the show to be so mesmerizing that I often get sucked into the artistry of the show vs. paying attention to all the dialog (I just like listening to the sound of the dialog, and the accompanying visuals for a lot of the stuff). That's why I need to watch each episode twice. The artistry is interfering with the story for me, but that's the way it goes sometimes. It's not like I think it's a bad thing.

Vix-"make it out" sounds like retirement, though we obviously don't know whether he's speaking to them being able to "make it out" or if he meant that he made it out. Even if he left in 2002, he likely would have had right around his 20 (if he went straight in after high school). He's playing at least 33 in 1995, and probably is supposed to be around 35. He's probably supposed to be early 50s in the present.

We don't know this, for all we know he could have got promoted based on however this case goes down, retired on a higher pension however many years later, and that's part of what ate away at Cohle. Think you're jumping to a lot of conclusions based on a few lines of dialogue.

Man, you are quite the narcistic apologist...

What makes this theory less likely is the fact that the case was "solved" in 95 and MM and WH don't split up till 02. ATM I can't see MM not rocking the boat full of holes if he thinks they've got the wrong guy, so that would leave the line that they got the wrong guy in 95 and only found out about it in 02 at which point MM left and WH stayed which seems a lot more convoluted than other possible explanations, though Occam's razor probably has very different laws when applied to tv scripts

I don't even know what you mean, but carry on.

Well, I'm not jumping to conclusions. I specifically said I am speculating on little to no evidence where I think the story is headed. Nobody asked, just doing it for my own entertainment.

Ah, right. Carry on.

It'll be interesting if the "wrong guy" is found by WH/MM investigation or if the task force comes into play.

Nunnehi,

Maybe consider at least listening to all the dialog in the show so you actually know what's going on before posting more?

Or do the first part, but not the second part.

El D, nearly everything I've posted has not needed dialog to talk about (the latest trolling I've faced was from asking a serious question, because I didn't remember, and it wasn't particularly relevant to what we had learned about the characters up to that point). I've generally been talking about character stuff and visual stuff (symbolism, props, etc.). But I do agree that I'm probably not going to post much more without having seen every episode at least twice, so maybe you will all be saved from me after this next episode for awhile. I'll probably be too busy to watch each episode again for possibly a few more weeks. Then again, I'm being trolled so relentlessly in this thread that I might double or triple my posts and quintuple my word count after the next episode (like I might rush to catch up with two viewings even though I don't have time to catch up). It's fun to get jimmies rustled occasionally.

I just came here to point out that the actress who plays Woody's character's mistress wasn't even born yet when Woody Harrelson started on Cheers.

Interesting that Woody's father was a real-life murderer. Shot and killed a federal judge here in Texas.

Those are great points. For me, Hart is a disturbed person just not in the way Rust is. He has major character flaws but that doesn't mean he's the killer or even a bad detective.

It did seem MM sort of knew the investigation was rushed/botched and is trying to antagonize the interviewers to tell some information about their case.

I have an issue with the doll scene regardless what the arrangement of the dolls is supposed to depict.

I'm a girl who grew up playing with dolls. I had A LOT of dolls and I had two older brothers. No way two little girls have that many male action figures.

I agree with this, I am interested to see where this goes.

The narcissism runs deep with this one..

I mean, dude, I have been known to spew hard in show threads-- sometimes I get a theory and get worked up on it. It happens, we're all human. I'm not trying to rag on you, I think it's great that we have people willing to try and engage in in-depth analysis and not just surface level "oooh titties" comments (not that there's anything wrong with appreciate a nice set of tits, esp a set as marvelously phenomenal as these.)

But with that being said, have some humility man. You throw out theories without having really paid attention to the show, people challenge them, you defend them vehemently, then when you're called out on your self admission to not really even paying attention while watching, you defend this practice. That's absurd man. Don't be one of those people who always has to take a defensive stance and always has an excuse or a backstory or whatever. It's ok to be wrong-- accepting your ineptitude is the only way to reduce your ineptitude.


Ha, I almost posted about this, but didn't wanna nit so hard. But now that I'm reading someone else's post about it, it really isn't a super nit-- My thought is that they wanted to setup the scene a very specific way, and Ken dolls simply don't have the articulation of G.I. Joes. They accepted the improbablility of the girls having the action figures for the ability to offer us the exact visual they were after. Or at least that's my best guess for a show that appears to be very aware of the details.

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I think there's a chance MM ends up having an affair with WH's wife or speeding up their breakup somehow.

I really didn't mean to nit. I think it is an obvious flaw from a female perspective. It did really did stand out as weird to me. And not only the action figure style of doll, but the number of male dolls period. I had one Ken doll. And most little girls I know of tend to have one, maybe two male dolls. I guess they might have a set of boy band dolls, but I think 95 was probably too early for that to be an explanation.

Also, from a female perspective, way too much emphasis on the female doll being nude. Most dolls tend to be in a perpetual state of undress unless the make believe session calls for a specific dress (wedding gown, party dress, etc). A nude female doll on the ground would have no menacing meaning to a young girl.

I chalk it up to make writer, male director, etc. But it bugged me even more as I read the thread and the scene was analyzed for meaning.

This thread should be more about how we should re-examine our lives in view of Choles philosophical insights.

I think you make a solid point here, but I think there are tons of ways that the timeline can still work out with the theory. MM wouldn't be ok with pinning it on the wrong guy and moving on, but I also don't see him blowing the whistle and making a big splash. He's an internal trouble maker. They "solve" the case in '95 and he continues to investigate on his own. With no resources and on his own, it's slow going, but he makes enough progress over the years to eventually gain the attention of the powers that be. This is when it all comes to a head. Woody reluctantly participates, but when the clues lead to people who if treated as suspects would spell career suicide, Woody jumps ship. Maybe Woody Keemas Rust, and that explains why he has no hard feelings.

But like I said, you make a good point-- I just don't think it's conclusive enough to abandon otherwise solid speculation.

Morphismus, those are awesome. Don't stop.

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