only thing better than the family visit episode is the rites of passage segment (RIP)

I'd like a season where there are no hidden advantages in the area, but everyone starts the game with a random advantage, hidden to others. Would probably make for decent tv, too.

Exactly!

Assuming they intended to have someone get 2 votes, Sarah didn’t need to steal a vote, this could have been accomplished with 3 votes to Tyson and re vote.
Your 3-3-3 idea is best of all, obviously.

Watching the jury after Jeremey played his power, I said "welp, there is zero chance Jeremy wins the game after that."

That jury isnt going to respect bouncing on a 5-5 split vote.

I think Kim's play was better than the majority group's 4-2 vote. You can at least make the case that Kim had a good enough read (with far more info than we get from the edit) to know she wouldn't get votes put on her. What valid reason is there for voting 4-2?

The only thing that was wrong with this loved ones episode was that there was no challenge (there couldn't be due to numbers). Winning the challenge was often the kiss of death.

My favorite was the year Cochran won. He and his mother ho-humming their way through the challenge with him basically telling her 'slow down, we do not want to win this."

When the boat showed up at EOE, my wife and I both thought it was going to be the remaining players and their families waving to EOE to torture the voted out players.

Unless if we are missing something not shown in the episode I honestly think Kim’s idol play is the worst move of this season.

Sandra’s move was a huge punt but at least there was both logic and clear upside to it if it pays off.

Kim has no upside to playing an idol on Denise here

A) the vote is 3-3-3 on Denise + x, meaning Tyson Michelle or herself goes home in the revote = bad result for Kim

B) the vote is 3-3-3 without Denise. She’s wasted an idol and Tyson Michelle or herself goes home in the revote = bad result for Kim

C) the vote is 5-2-2 as it were in reality. If 5 on Tyson she’s wasted an idol. If 5 on Denise....well Tyson Michelle or herself goes home in the revote = bad result for Kim

So the only way it could ever have worked out for her is if the majority mess up the vote split ala Tyson hvv and they send home Sophie in a 3 vs 2 vote. Which in all honestly was very unlikely to happen.

Why aren't you including 4-2-3 (3=Kim, Tyson, Michelle), with Kim blocking the person who gets 4 votes, as a possibility? I understand it didn't happen and I agree with others who think Kim should have expected 3-3-3, but Kim saw Michelle as a potential 3rd vote. I'm not trying to make the case that Kim's idol play was great, but I don't understand how it's worse than the 4-2 vote by the majority group.

Kim is at least aware that she's not in a good position in the game & that she needs to be willing to take more risks right now- what's the possible value in the majority group voting 4-2? (And I'm seriously asking- maybe I'm missing something with all of the different twists/advantages they have now, but to me the 4-2 vote seems much worse & all I see is downside in doing it)

Can you explain what this is? I'm not familiar with it.

That's the exact reason why Kim's move is so bad. There's no logical reason at all that they split the vote 4-2 here so Kim shouldn't even be considering that it is a possibility yet the only way her plan succeeds is if the other group do a failed split vote.


As for why the majority split it 4-2. The voting strategy is completely different for a 10 vote tribal and a 9 vote tribal and my speculation is that that they made a detailed plan thinking there would be 10 votes and not 9 votes and they simply made no adjustment to their plan when Jeremy left.

A 4-2 split is actually optimal in a tribe of 10 with a 6-4 division. The reason is that the 4 person minority can actually split their votes 2-2 to cover the case of a counter idol.

Hypothetical Scenario 1:
The majority puts 6 votes on Tyson and the minority put 4 votes on Sophie. If Kim plays the idol on Tyson, then Sophie would then play her idol on herself and no votes are valid so they revote and one of the minority goes home on the new vote.

Hypothetical Scenario 2:
The majority puts 6 votes on Tyson and the minority put 2 votes on Sophie and 2 votes on Sarah. Kim plays the idol on Tyson, then Sophie would then play her idol on herself and the 2 votes for Sarah are the only ones that count. Best case scenario for minority.

Hypothetical Scenario 3:
The majority puts 4 votes on Tyson and 2 votes on Denise, the minority put 2 votes on Sophie and 2 votes on Sarah. So . Kim plays the idol on Tyson, Sophie plays her idol on herself. Remaining votes are 2 Denise and 2 Sarah. Denise is voted out on revote. In this scenario the majority is covered because they split 4-2.

I suspect the percentage of sociopaths in this thread is higher than a random sampling of the populace.

At tribal council. After the mayhem began, Sophie said “why dont us five just go over here and decide?”

We’ll see how good of players nick and Michelle are next week cause they have no path to winning on team Ben-tony-Sophie-Sarah

Thought it was great how they brought everyone's entire family out, even EOE people. I have kids and if I ever make it on the show I'd imagine I'd have the same reaction to that situation. But they drew it out with Jeff asking questions, etc. Way too long.

Jeremy definitely sunk his ship right there. Basically a big middle finger to everyone he was aligned with that he's out for himself. Done either next week or the week after if they get rid of Kim first.

I think they should have a rule where there's zero conferring at tribal. I hate it. Maybe I'm in the minority, but you shouldn't be able to sway votes once you sit down there. It is what it is and people have to vote according to what they said when they left the beach. That was terrible. Although it did expose Sophie as a ringleader, which was stupid of her to do.

family visits are the worst....I am impressed with Ben pulling a young hottie, tho.

Right, but it did happen- clearly human error from the majority was more likely than we expected.

-Kim had a good read, re: votes not being put on her
-Kim played the idol on one of two people who got votes, and based on her post-vote reaction was clearly debating between Denise & Tyson
-For whatever reason, the majority made a terrible decision and did the one thing Kim needed for her plan to have a chance

I'm not giving Kim credit for them making the mistake (I think she should have planned for 3-3-3), but I think the majority deserves more blame for putting themselves in a position to have her plan work. She's the one who's trying to fight her way from the bottom (she's been targeted since early in the game due to the lol poker alliance), and almost any move she makes should be low % in terms of success, barring a mistake from the majority.

If she gave the idol to Tyson and Michelle voted with them Sophie would be gone. It's absurd that Kim was even that close to pulling it off given her position in the game. I understand the logic behind why it was a bad move by Kim, and yet the majority did the one thing that gave her plan a chance to succeed and their plan a chance to fail. Brutal.

Re: bolded- making adjustments to their plan is exactly what they should be thinking about when Jeremy leaves.

*And I appreciate the effort you put into the 10 vote hypotheticals, but I'm not arguing against the fact that the strategy for a 10 vote tribal is different from a 9 vote tribal.

Agree
Should be a show one show all rule.
Can't move your butt of your seat.
Can't whisper to person beside you.
If you want to talk, say for all to hear.

Do your whispering back at camp

It's still a bad move. The smart move is for Kim to vote for Tyson and to not use her idol.

Pretty mind blowing that Australian Survivor All stars hasn't even been discussed anywhere on this forum, despite being the best survivor season I've ever seen, yet there's like 2 pages of discussion on an episode where literally nothing happened except crying and kids building sand castles on the beach.

Couldn't agree more though they would develop hand/body signals if they haven't already.

Pretty possible that Sarah is just a dumbass. I think it's likely that she was supposed to put both of her votes on Denise, instead of one on Denise and one on Tyson like she did. That would have made it a 3-3 split. Would have been girls vote Denise, boys vote Tyson, which is how a lot of the split votes are decided.

The whispering would be 100x more acceptable if they just showed what theyre saying on the bottom of the screen. You can still manipulate us with the edit. Just show us something

I did include this at the bottom of my post as the only scenario where Kims idol play pays off i.e

-A mucked up vote split, Michelle stays true + Sophie doesn't play her idol.

There is really no reason why Kim should think all three of the above events would happen.

I am hearing rumours though that it was actually a 3 v 3 v 3 and it was edited out for time (same as how Kellyn was booted in Ghost Island)

That would explain the seemingly wonky vote split in the edit. Still doesn't explain Kim's idol play.

Looking forward to her clearing it up in an exit interview as I want to find a way to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Small town former Marine marries young hottie and knocks her up. It's the American Dream.

But they showed votes for Denise not counting + Sarah/Sophies vote for Denise on YouTube. Kellyn's tie vote was shown.

As an aside, it's a travesty this moment wasn't shown