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Old 11-12-2010, 04:13 AM   #2976
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

thanks! coach will be a definite but i'll add stephen to the list
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Old 11-12-2010, 07:31 AM   #2977
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Tribal Counsel is 1-2 hours long. He probably calls everyone out. We just don't see it.
im sure he must go at some people more aggressive then others.
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Old 11-12-2010, 07:41 AM   #2978
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

also i think mary played really well this season, just got dealt a bad hand. also made it a bit too clear to everyone his next targets were jane and holly. but if there was no switch. he had no shot of going home.
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:21 AM   #2979
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If there was so switch then the young tribe would have won every immunity almost and Marty clearly is not capable of flipping morons.
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Old 11-12-2010, 09:10 AM   #2980
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ya obv the young kids crush the old people with no switch. but thats just being unlucky it was a old vs young season. also marty did flip morons. he got fabio and benry voting with him the other night even though it hurt there game overall
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Old 11-12-2010, 09:48 AM   #2981
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If there was so switch then the young tribe would have won every immunity almost and Marty clearly is not capable of flipping morons.
Yeah Marty's problem was that he couldn't flip smart people because, well, they are smart. It's funny to listen to him blame the tribe swap when it was the tribe swap that gave him any chance at all. Marty seems like a bright guy, but not too in touch with reality.
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Old 11-12-2010, 09:52 AM   #2982
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thanks! coach will be a definite but i'll add stephen to the list
The Tyson podcast was amazing, but Stephen is by far the best guest he's had.
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Old 11-12-2010, 12:08 PM   #2983
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I still don't understand the Benry love though. Why would people want him to win or think he can. I guess I am just missing something.
pretty much because of this



and this


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Old 11-12-2010, 01:24 PM   #2984
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awesome marty interview. so glad to have rob c back
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Old 11-12-2010, 01:25 PM   #2985
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lol opening intro to fairplay interview. so good.
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Old 11-12-2010, 02:35 PM   #2986
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pretty much because of this
and this
I suppose I forgot that reasons I hate somebody would be reasons others in the thread would love him. He was dead to me after the completely disgusting "dirt squirrel" line for no good reason at all.
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Old 11-12-2010, 02:36 PM   #2987
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Marty did not play well at all.

While he did do a good job getting an alliance early on, I'm not going to give anybody credit for something that's so obviously necessary. What he did badly was alienate non-members of his alliance. He was a jerk to them, and he never let them feel like they'd have a chance with him at any point in the game. He muscled his way to the head of the tribe, and voted out anybody who was a threat to his need to dominate. While that IS a necessary strategy, he started it way too early.

You can say the swap screwed him, but I have to say - the fact that he was completely unprepared for a tribal swap, especially in a gimmick season, is an inexcusable oversight on his part. The first thing you need to think when they split Survivor tribes based on some superficial attribute, be it age, race, gender or colour of your underwear, they will mix things up. You need to be prepared. You need to keep all your tribemates loyal to the idea of the original tribe. You need a plan to keep yourself alive until the merge.

And post-swap/post-merge, he absolutely failed in the second most basic strategy component of the game - figuring out who is not loyal to their alliance, and is available to be flipped. Sash & Brenda knew, and they voted those people out first. Marty apparently missed the memo and never tried to make it work. Targetting Jane was a massive strategic blunder, along the lines of his other mistakes in the game - he was worrying about people who would be threats in the future, without securing his present. Too much foresight is as dangerous as not enough.

Forming a majority alliance per-merge and voting people out isn't great strategy, nor is proposing complicated plots that require multiple people to abandon their alliances in the jury phase (ie, his plan in the last episode).
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Old 11-12-2010, 02:50 PM   #2988
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Possible spoiler in marty's interview with Rob C?
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Old 11-12-2010, 03:26 PM   #2989
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Old 11-12-2010, 04:32 PM   #2990
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Marty did not play well at all.

While he did do a good job getting an alliance early on, I'm not going to give anybody credit for something that's so obviously necessary. What he did badly was alienate non-members of his alliance. He was a jerk to them, and he never let them feel like they'd have a chance with him at any point in the game. He muscled his way to the head of the tribe, and voted out anybody who was a threat to his need to dominate. While that IS a necessary strategy, he started it way too early.

You can say the swap screwed him, but I have to say - the fact that he was completely unprepared for a tribal swap, especially in a gimmick season, is an inexcusable oversight on his part. The first thing you need to think when they split Survivor tribes based on some superficial attribute, be it age, race, gender or colour of your underwear, they will mix things up. You need to be prepared. You need to keep all your tribemates loyal to the idea of the original tribe. You need a plan to keep yourself alive until the merge.

And post-swap/post-merge, he absolutely failed in the second most basic strategy component of the game - figuring out who is not loyal to their alliance, and is available to be flipped. Sash & Brenda knew, and they voted those people out first. Marty apparently missed the memo and never tried to make it work. Targetting Jane was a massive strategic blunder, along the lines of his other mistakes in the game - he was worrying about people who would be threats in the future, without securing his present. Too much foresight is as dangerous as not enough.

Forming a majority alliance per-merge and voting people out isn't great strategy, nor is proposing complicated plots that require multiple people to abandon their alliances in the jury phase (ie, his plan in the last episode).
while i'm admittedly not an expert on survivor strategy, this whole post makes a lot of sense to me.
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Old 11-12-2010, 06:13 PM   #2991
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Marty did not play well at all.

While he did do a good job getting an alliance early on, I'm not going to give anybody credit for something that's so obviously necessary. What he did badly was alienate non-members of his alliance. He was a jerk to them, and he never let them feel like they'd have a chance with him at any point in the game. He muscled his way to the head of the tribe, and voted out anybody who was a threat to his need to dominate. While that IS a necessary strategy, he started it way too early.

You can say the swap screwed him, but I have to say - the fact that he was completely unprepared for a tribal swap, especially in a gimmick season, is an inexcusable oversight on his part. The first thing you need to think when they split Survivor tribes based on some superficial attribute, be it age, race, gender or colour of your underwear, they will mix things up. You need to be prepared. You need to keep all your tribemates loyal to the idea of the original tribe. You need a plan to keep yourself alive until the merge.

And post-swap/post-merge, he absolutely failed in the second most basic strategy component of the game - figuring out who is not loyal to their alliance, and is available to be flipped. Sash & Brenda knew, and they voted those people out first. Marty apparently missed the memo and never tried to make it work. Targetting Jane was a massive strategic blunder, along the lines of his other mistakes in the game - he was worrying about people who would be threats in the future, without securing his present. Too much foresight is as dangerous as not enough.

Forming a majority alliance per-merge and voting people out isn't great strategy, nor is proposing complicated plots that require multiple people to abandon their alliances in the jury phase (ie, his plan in the last episode).
Fantastic post. There is a big difference between being intelligent and playing well. Marty is clearly a super bright guy, but he just didn't play this season very well. When the best play of the season is giving away your idol to the enemy, you know you took some wrong turns.
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:29 PM   #2992
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

there is also value in completely alienating the ones the outside. makes it harder for them to break back in. he def did not play great but he didnt play bad.

on a side note, i hate jane more then naonka. but i am white.(weird)
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Old 11-12-2010, 09:41 PM   #2993
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Completely alienating the outsiders only makes it harder for you to secure their votes (whether in-game or on the jury). The only time it might be worthwhile is if keeping a more valuable ally is dependent on alienating that person and that person is too stupid to jump ship, but that never happens.

Taking control of a majority alliance early on, as Marty did, is suicidal for someone with his personality, particularly in a tribe with a lot of alpha males. To be successful as an alliance leader you have to keep the outsiders from recognizing that they are outsiders and thus make them incorrectly conclude that flipping would harm them. You have to be conciliatory, suppress any personal animosity you might feel towards them, and include them in strategy sessions (preferably with you and a mid-ranking member of your alliance). Brenda's choice of people to take from Espada was masterful: pick up the alpha male, his closest ally, and an old woman whose personality is diametrically opposed to his, flip the old woman and eliminate the biggest short-term threat outside your alliance. Easy game.

Add all of that to Marty's numerous misplays with the idol, and you have someone who played a bad game.

I can see why you might hate Jane more than NaOnka. NaOnka is a complete trainwreck, but one might ignore her as one does a child; Jane seems actively malicious and vindictive.
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Old 11-12-2010, 09:58 PM   #2994
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Rob C said it best at the Amazon reunion. You need to have a working relationship with every single person in the game.
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Old 11-12-2010, 10:13 PM   #2995
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survivor: outlast, get elected
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Old 11-13-2010, 12:44 AM   #2996
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You say that like it's somehow a bad thing. Or not the exact show we've been watching for 10 years. Or not exactly how they designed it. Or not what makes it the best game of all time.
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Old 11-13-2010, 01:19 AM   #2997
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I suppose I forgot that reasons I hate somebody would be reasons others in the thread would love him. He was dead to me after the completely disgusting "dirt squirrel" line for no good reason at all.
I'm kind of with you on this one, Kart. I was really turned off by the comment. It's on the level of Jane bashing Marty as a father. Just completely out of line. I don't know that I'd say either is dead to me, but I was turned off for sure.
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Old 11-13-2010, 02:26 AM   #2998
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lol best game of all time ._.
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Old 11-13-2010, 01:21 PM   #2999
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Sure, insulting someone on a semi-confessional without them knowing is immature, but the use of the term "dirt squirrel" is just awesome.
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Sure, insulting someone on a semi-confessional without them knowing is immature, but the use of the term "dirt squirrel" is just awesome.
I can't stand those fratboy morons who want every girl to sleep with them and then refer to all women as "sluts." or "dirt squirrels" in this case. Benry just embodies everything I hate about people... or at least his edit does.
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