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Originally Posted by Double Down
Fabio and Dan are clearly #4 and #5 on the totem pole. Chase openly said so at TC. And even though Jane wanted to get rid of Dan, the more recent events had her furious at her alliance members, so why wouldn't they try to team up with Jane at least for last night? Fabio has now put himself in a position where he has to win 2 more ICs back to back if he wants to get to the finals, he has essentially become the Brett of this season. Unless he chooses to actually try to actively play this game, which he has shown no signs of doing.
Is it that hard to see Chase and Sash turning on Holly like they turned on Jane? People act like this "totem pole" actually exists, and then think that alliances are some sort of sacred bond that can't be broken until everyone else has been "picked off one by one".
I don't know what's going to happen the final few days. I don't know if Dan and Fabio made a mistake or not. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I just don't see why it's such a clear-cut mistake for Dan/Fabio to vote out Jane. For every point you can make saying it was a mistake, there's a counterpoint I can make that would make it not a mistake.
But since Probst did his impression of his mother while asking "why don't you 3 team up", it sounds like it's elementary strategy that Dan/Fabio are idiots for not considering.
But guess what? They very well could have considered it. Jane very well could have tried to scramble before TC and Dan and Fabio could have discussed it. And it could be that they decided the best way forward was to vote out Jane (And omg, they might ACTUALLY be right). Dan and Fabio didn't really have many great options at last night's TC. Whatever they did, it could've been construed as a mistake. It's very possible that they should've put themselves in better positions, but that's neither here nor there.
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re: the editing, I just don't know what to say anymore, boc. You're telling me that I'm a fool for making assumptions based on the footage that they chose to show me. But what choice do I have? What type of assumption am I allowed to make so that you don't come back at me with the same ridiculous argument you've been spewing all season? Maybe Chase is actually a strategic genius and chess grand master and this whole simple country boy persona is an act, maybe Holly actually has a F3 alliance with Dan and Fabio and they just haven't shown it, maybe NaOnka is actually Russell in drag and blackface, etc etc etc etc etc.
I'm just saying don't let this **** hinder your enjoyment of the show so much. The stuff that you perceive to be BIG MISTAKES might not appear so bad if things were edited differently.
I just think you guys spend way too much time worrying about who's "playing the best game", because it's all so influenced by the editors... And in most cases, it's impossible to know whether a play is a "good play" or "bad play".
Do you think that you can discern who the best players are at the WSOP ME by watching ESPN's coverage of it? Of course not, only NVG-reading, kool-aid drinking, 1/2 home game playing, Milwaukee's Best-chugging dumbasses think that. But when it comes down to it, the ESPN WSOP coverage is very, very similar to Survivor on TV. Thousands and thousands of hours of footage are compressed into one hour a week. Things are shown in and out of order. The context of things are totally lost.
And just like we don't know all of the hundreds of variables at play at a poker table when we watch edited coverage, we don't know the hundreds of variables at play during these games of Survivor, either. When you guys criticize the players of Survivor, to me it just sounds like an NVGtard screaming "OMG WHAT A DONKEY HOW DID HE CALL OFF ALL HIS CHIPS WITH JUST QQ IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT OTHER GUY HAD KK AT LEAST", when NVGtard has the luxury of sitting on his couch looking at hole card cameras.
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I'll say it again, in post show interviews over the years, it has been an overwhelmingly common occurrence compared to the contrary that when asked if the contestants felt that they received a fair and accurate edit, they say they have. This is especially interesting considering that they have essentially been given an opportunity on a silver platter to paint themselves in a better light by being asked that question. Please answer my question above. It's not rhetorical. What types of things are assumption worthy and what are not?
Sure, most people besides the villains and invisibles feel like they got fair edits.
Stuff that isn't assumption worthy: Things that you don't see on the screen. For example, it's not fair to say "LOL DAN AND FABIO NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED THE POSSIBILITY OF FORCING A TIE, WHAT IDIOTS". As I brought up before, they may have considered the possibility. They may have even had confessionals telling the cameras why they thought it was a good or bad idea to do something like that.
Stuff that is assumption worthy: What you do see on the screen. However, you have to be careful, because footage is manipulated and context can be lost.
A good example of something that isn't assumption-worthy: The way Dan is perceived as "useless" and "terrible at Survivor". He's useless and terrible at Survivor challenges, but as far as his "gameplay" goes, it's pretty ****ing hard to say. We haven't been shown very much of Dan's gameplay, but the little that he has been shown, he's shown way more Survivor aptitude than lack thereof. But hey, he's the invisible guy who sucks at challenges, so he's a terrible player who sucks.