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04-01-2010 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kos13
No one was gunning for him except Russell. Not Parv, not Danielle, not Jerri...no one but Russell.



It's definitely worth pointing out that Rob, while a great player, has never had to deal with another good player. He took out Hunter early (we'll never know if he was good or not), he had a built-in advantage over Cesternino, and that's it. Take out Cesternino, and the best player he's ever booted is Kathy, who was down 6-2 when he took her out. His best moves were all made against complete idiots.
Yeah that's a fair point about the whole tribe not gunning for him..I Kinda over did it on that point

but I don't get your point about voting out cesternino...that was clearly Rob outplaying cesternino.....Gained the numbers and blindsided a threat..not sure what you mean by "built-in"..and you can make the same case that Russell has never faced a good player up til this point..though I did think John wasn't too bad from last season.
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04-01-2010 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by qwertyu121
The whole manupulation thing is more strategic game in my eyes but idk i guess that's more of an opinion thing..by social I mean being able to connect with these people on, well, a social level...getting to know them..bond with them...this is a human game..people have feelings....People will be more inclined to vote for someone that they felt good about even if they get voted out by that person(doesn't necessarily mean they will vote for you but still better than being an arrogant bastard about it)..that's how rob managed to clinch Rupert and Jenna's votes in S8
I agree with this and is without a doubt his kryptonite. However his style and arrogance still make for great and entertaining T.V. I know I for one started busted out laughing tonight when right in front of Courtney and Sandra he said he wanted to vote one of them off.
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04-01-2010 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
I hate you Tyson, this is all your fault.
lol to some extent, yes...Rob's performance in All-Stars didn't help his cause either cause Jerri knew she wouldn't be able to trust him down the line
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04-01-2010 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
I hate you Tyson, this is all your fault.
Welcome to the big leagues
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04-01-2010 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mc4chess
Welcome to the big leagues
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04-01-2010 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mc4chess
I agree with this and is without a doubt his kryptonite. However his style and arrogance still make for great and entertaining T.V. I know I for one started busted out laughing tonight when right in front of Courtney and Sandra he said he wanted to vote one of them off.
without a doubt...I love watching him play the game...I enjoy watching Rob even more which is way I am attacking Russell a lot ITT..but I personally hope Russell sticks around for a while now because he will be the biggest source of entertainment next to coach.
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04-01-2010 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by qwertyu121
but I don't get your point about voting out cesternino...that was clearly Rob outplaying cesternino.....Gained the numbers and blindsided a threat..not sure what you mean by "built-in"..and you can make the same case that Russell has never faced a good player up til this point..though I did think John wasn't too bad from last season.
The rumor has always been that Rob and Amber were dating before the game started. Then, they stuck them in a tribe of six, which means Cesternino would have had to get all three other players on his side. I don't think it was a particularly fair arrangement; even if they weren't dating beforehand, tribes of six really hurts the strategic game and makes it nearly impossible to flip out of the minority.
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04-01-2010 , 10:32 PM
Regardless of Russell's social game (aggressive or lack their of) approach if these guys are truly appreciative of the game if he gets to the end from mastermind strategy then they should vote for him because he played the game, period!

This shouldn't be "Vote for the coat tail" who does nothing except have an alliance with the person that took them to the end. This should be about the most dominate player in the game of the remaining ones left should win and people who have played before should realize this.

Their will be lying and stabbing each other in the back so they shouldn't be babies holding grudges when they are placing their jury vote.
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04-01-2010 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
I hate you Tyson, this is all your fault.
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04-01-2010 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mc4chess
Welcome to the big leagues
I don't see how assuming a smart player is going to make an INCREDIBLY stupid move completely out of the blue is a great play, but it's possible Russell got the sickest read in history.

I think Russell's play this week shows far more skill at Survivor than his play last week.

I don't think he will be able to beat JT.
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04-01-2010 , 10:36 PM
look at those pit stains
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04-01-2010 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Kos13
The rumor has always been that Rob and Amber were dating before the game started. Then, they stuck them in a tribe of six, which means Cesternino would have had to get all three other players on his side. I don't think it was a particularly fair arrangement; even if they weren't dating beforehand, tribes of six really hurts the strategic game and makes it nearly impossible to flip out of the minority.
hmm..that's interesting..If this does happen to be true then that is a fair point..I'm not sure it is but idk..and yeah the 6 person tribes was definitely a flawed idea from show producers but I guess they just wanted each tribe to have an even number of women/men....I still think Boston Rob did end up working the whole tribe against Cesternino pretty well though.
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04-01-2010 , 10:36 PM
I'm very excited for the interviews tomorrow.
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04-01-2010 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
I don't see how assuming a smart player is going to make an INCREDIBLY stupid move completely out of the blue is a great play, but it's possible Russell got the sickest read in history.

I think Russell's play this week shows far more skill at Survivor than his play last week.

I don't think he will be able to beat JT.
eh..w/ the HII in play Russell will always have the advantage..
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04-01-2010 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
I don't see how assuming a smart player is going to make an INCREDIBLY stupid move completely out of the blue is a great play, but it's possible Russell got the sickest read in history.

I think Russell's play this week shows far more skill at Survivor than his play last week.

I don't think he will be able to beat JT.
Disagree with all this. Last week with Tyson was definitely more impressive and one of the sickest survivor moves ever imo.

Also JT?? I like JT more than most Russell fans probably but I really doubt JT is gonna "beat" Russell. The only thing JT would beat Russell in is the finals Jury vote, but Russell would never let JT make it.
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04-01-2010 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mc4chess
lol wrong, he would vote out courtney, gain numbers and go for Rob next but he seemedd to work Jerri over pretty well so it doesn't matter
this
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04-01-2010 , 10:46 PM
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Disagree with all this. Last week with Tyson was definitely more impressive and one of the sickest survivor moves ever imo.
I really hope they bring this up during the reunion because I still have no idea why Russell gave it up...I have to assume that he was certain that tyson was going Parvati somehow..but Tyson has said in interviews he didn't tell a soul and was still uncertain at TC..I really want to hear Russell's said of the story.
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04-01-2010 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by qwertyu121
I really hope they bring this up during the reunion because I still have no idea why Russell gave it up...I have to assume that he was certain that tyson was going Parvati somehow..but Tyson has said in interviews he didn't tell a soul and was still uncertain at TC..I really want to hear Russell's said of the story.
yea, ill be looking forward to this also. i mean, it makes no sense for tyson or russell, but i have to think theres almost no chance russell gives up his idol if a split vote is possible.
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04-01-2010 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by zer0
i mean, c'mon. rob made false promises in his all star season, especially to lex and kathy who probably still hate him. its fkn survivor. he's either not loyal or he's loyal because he has to be, but it can't be both. he took his guys as far as he could.
Yes..that's true..the big difference here is that Rob was able to retain votes for honoring his alliance with rupert and jenna(and somehow got a vote from kathy)..while russell ****ed over EVERYONE in the jury)....because while he screwed people over he still honored one of his 73 alliances...which was big...Russell, while honoring one alliance only did it for his own personal gains(which is fine..but he made it incredibly obvious)...he showed he would stop at nothing to get to the prize(Which is fine but once again don't make it so obvious to the jury..you need to give these people a reason to vote for you)...So even though Rob was also doing it only to advance himself and amber..he was still getting votes from rupert and jenna while doing so..
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04-01-2010 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by qwertyu121
Yes..that's true..the big difference here is that Rob was able to retain votes for honoring his alliance with rupert and jenna(and somehow got a vote from kathy)..while russell ****ed over EVERYONE in the jury)....because while he screwed people over he still honored one of his 73 alliances...which was big...Russell, while honoring one alliance only did it for his own personal gains(which is fine..but he made it incredibly obvious)...he showed he would stop at nothing to get to the prize(Which is fine but once again don't make it so obvious to the jury..you need to give these people a reason to vote for you)...So even though Rob was also doing it only to advance himself and amber..he was still getting votes from rupert and jenna while doing so..
Wait...what? Russell didn't F anyone over. He was down 8-4, and he booted all the Galus before he started attacking his own allies.
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04-01-2010 , 11:04 PM
To everyone screaming that Russel would go home if the others had seen season 19: Then why is Parv still in the game? Why did people trust Rob?
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04-01-2010 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by qwertyu121
Yes..that's true..the big difference here is that Rob was able to retain votes for honoring his alliance with rupert and jenna(and somehow got a vote from kathy)..while russell ****ed over EVERYONE in the jury)....because while he screwed people over he still honored one of his 73 alliances...which was big...Russell, while honoring one alliance only did it for his own personal gains(which is fine..but he made it incredibly obvious)...he showed he would stop at nothing to get to the prize(Which is fine but once again don't make it so obvious to the jury..you need to give these people a reason to vote for you)...So even though Rob was also doing it only to advance himself and amber..he was still getting votes from rupert and jenna while doing so..
russell went into his merge with 3 other members, and had to take 2 of them with him (prob could have got by with shambo, but that doesnt change much). rob had a lot more options, and wasnt in scramble mode the entire time. its easy to say "russell ****ed up post merge", but if russell wasnt russell, mick/jaison/russell/natalie are voted out in order.
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04-01-2010 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mc4chess
Disagree with all this. Last week with Tyson was definitely more impressive and one of the sickest survivor moves ever imo.
Russell just didn't do much of anything. The only way Russell move was even good was if he somehow got a sick read of how Tyson was gonna vote. All that has to happen is for an extremely smart player to make the obvious best move for him, but that somehow didn't happen. With the evidence we have the play is downright bad since he exposed himself in what was supposed to be a split vote. It's hard to not let the results speak here, and it certainly worked out for Russell.

Last week's was fancier, but in a vacuum it only saved him 1 more week. What he did today with Jerri was create a solid alliance of 4 that can last through the game. He doesn't even need Coach anymore.

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Also JT?? I like JT more than most Russell fans probably but I really doubt JT is gonna "beat" Russell. The only thing JT would beat Russell in is the finals Jury vote, but Russell would never let JT make it.
I don't really know what to say about this, I just think JT is a better all around player. With JT and Amanda working Parv Russell could have trouble post merge.

JT/Russell is the showdown I wanted.

Rob was the end of level boss. JT is the end of game boss.
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04-01-2010 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
To everyone screaming that Russel would go home if the others had seen season 19: Then why is Parv still in the game? Why did people trust Rob?

Russell burned socks and emptied water. No one wants to risk dealing with that when they are starving to death on an island.
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04-01-2010 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kartinken
Rob was the end of level boss. JT is the end of game boss.
you're putting yourself in a bad spot here. russell is in a fantastic position right now, how does jt get enough numbers to compete?
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