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03-25-2010 , 02:47 PM

#3101

Empire Man

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

Kartinken will NEVER EVER call Russell great no matter what he does.

Well to be fair I think kartinken has said that he considers Russell one of the best players ever. But imo he usually weakens these concessions with so much handwaving and qualifying that they always sound hollow. Anyway the Russellites vs the Robbians has always been a false choice, they're both super good, and seeing them try to level each other last night was some of the best survivor ever. But last night it was only Russell who pulled off the cleverest tribal council reversal ever, and it really happened no matter how much the anti-Russholes want to lalala it away

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03-25-2010 , 02:48 PM

#3102

TheUntouchable

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Originally Posted by kartinken

Why can't he still convince Tyson to get rid of parv?

Because the only reason Tyson did that was because his name was the only member of the alliance on the chopping block and he wanted to avoid any risk of a tie.

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03-25-2010 , 03:17 PM

#3103

kartinken

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Originally Posted by TheUntouchable

Because the only reason Tyson did that was because his name was the only member of the alliance on the chopping block and he wanted to avoid any risk of a tie.

This isn't what he claims in his post boot interviews, or in his secret scenes. It's possible he's hiding the fear part, but he had legit reasons to try and boot parv and build goodwill with Russ. In his defense, he calls it the worst move in history himself, so there ya go.

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03-25-2010 , 03:19 PM

#3104

TheUntouchable

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Originally Posted by kartinken

Yeah, I saw that video and had no clue what he was talking about. It would have made no sense for him to piss off Rob at that point.

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03-25-2010 , 03:20 PM

#3105

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Originally Posted by Empire Man

I wish the ignore feature blurred out other people quoting my ignored people

Anyway, Empire Man, the reason I qualify it so much is because he has lots of holes in his game. He is probably the best short-term strategist/short-term manipulator the game has ever seen. This isn't enough to ever win a season unless he softens his touch. He needs to make a big turn around fast or not only is he doomed this season, but he's doomed for all future all-star seasons. He was blessed that no one saw his season or he'd have been voted off before Randy without question.

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03-25-2010 , 03:30 PM

#3106

Gary Wise

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I'm a little disappointed by the revelation that they chose Tyson to be on this show over Shane.

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03-25-2010 , 03:37 PM

#3107

kartinken

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Originally Posted by Gary Wise

I'm a little disappointed by the revelation that they chose Tyson to be on this show over Shane.

Technically it was Russell over Shane. Shane and Tyson were both cast previous to Samoa.

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03-25-2010 , 03:39 PM

#3108

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by Gary Wise

I'm a little disappointed by the revelation that they chose Tyson to be on this show over Shane.

Shane would have been great too, but while Tyson kind of sucks as the game he owns at the confessionals.

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03-25-2010 , 03:40 PM

#3109

Cardfish1

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Originally Posted by kartinken

I wish the ignore feature blurred out other people quoting my ignored people

Anyway, Empire Man, the reason I qualify it so much is because he has lots of holes in his game. He is probably the best short-term strategist/short-term manipulator the game has ever seen. This isn't enough to ever win a season unless he softens his touch. He needs to make a big turn around fast or not only is he doomed this season, but he's doomed for all future all-star seasons. He was blessed that no one saw his season or he'd have been voted off before Randy without question.

Isn't he already doomed for future seasons? As soon as something goes missing they are going to blame russell. If he is not hiding/burning something himself, it will be someone else hiding it to set up russell as the fall guy.

I think he is an early vote off if he ever plays again.

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03-25-2010 , 03:43 PM

#3110

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Originally Posted by Cardfish1

It amazes me that people can still think so little of Russell. It's delusional. Of course he is not going to be hiding things and throwing out peoples stuff next time he plays because he is not a moron, he is a great player.

He will simply adapt to the fact that people have seen him play next time. Just as he is playing different this time, from last time.

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03-25-2010 , 03:43 PM

#3111

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i'd be surprised if russell plans to play again. he wouldn't have much to gain (sure, the million dollars, but he cares more about respect and his place in survivor history than money) as he is already considered one of the all time greats. if he does well this season, additional seasons would only hurt him, imo.

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03-25-2010 , 03:44 PM

#3112

Gary Wise

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Meh, gamers are gonna game. Russell loves to play and he'll come back whenever invited.

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03-25-2010 , 03:45 PM

#3113

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Originally Posted by kartinken

He was blessed that no one saw his season or he'd have been voted off before Randy without question.

In the same way that no one would ever let Rob play Robfather again, even though everyone actually HAS seen that before? But here he is, Robfathering. Because Russell, Rob, whatever, goats gonna goat.

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03-25-2010 , 03:48 PM

#3114

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

It doesn't have to be Russell hiding it.

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03-25-2010 , 03:51 PM

#3115

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Originally Posted by Empire Man

goats gonna goat.

Exactly. It's so silly to suggest someone as good as Rob or Russell cant adapt to different game scenarios.

Sure Russell might get voted off early, there is a ton of variance, but he will still be a BIG favorite in any season he plays.

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03-25-2010 , 03:53 PM

#3116

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Originally Posted by Cardfish1

It doesn't have to be Russell hiding it.

That's a good point, and would be an interesting strategy. Someone could set him up like that. It would be interesting to see what he did in that scenario.

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03-25-2010 , 04:00 PM

#3117

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Originally Posted by dukemagic

i'd be surprised if russell plans to play again. he wouldn't have much to gain (sure, the million dollars, but he cares more about respect and his place in survivor history than money) as he is already considered one of the all time greats. if he does well this season, additional seasons would only hurt him, imo.

The sad part is I think you are right about that. The reality is he set himself up to look rather pathetic with the desperation "offer natalie money for the mean-nothing title." He's gone a long way to earn back some of the respect he lost down the stretch last season, but he's still digging out of that hole he dug himself last year as far as I am concerned.

His play last night, amazing as it was in the short term, will put a permanent mark on his back so large he won't be able to shake it.

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03-25-2010 , 04:02 PM

#3118

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by kartinken

His play last night, amazing as it was in the short term, will put a permanent mark on his back so large he won't be able to shake it.

Honest to god, are you for real?

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03-25-2010 , 04:02 PM

#3119

kartinken

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Originally Posted by Cardfish1

It doesn't have to be Russell hiding it.

It doesn't have to be anyone hiding it. If I were on an allstar season with Russell I'd make sure he was secluded in a corner away from all the supplies with guards on him til our first tribal. This is the likely approach any allstar season would take with him from now on. It doesn't make any sense for future allstars to allow him near important equipment, and it doesn't make any sense for future allstars to keep him past the first tribal.

I'd likely try to convince the tribe to throw the first challenge just to get him out of the game.

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03-25-2010 , 04:07 PM

#3120

zer0

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if you are a weak-ish player, how could you not want to form an alliance with russell? females should be begging him. he is extremely loyal, and will fight his ass off to overcome whatever numbers disadvantage they might have. yea, if you put another type a against him, there will be an inevitable early clash, but its not like everyone will outcast him like randy.

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03-25-2010 , 04:07 PM

#3121

TonyDanza

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I think choosing Tyson to switch the vote is fairly obvious as he is the one at risk, but he could've had Tyson switch his vote and then vote off Sandra. If he thought he could pull Tyson into his alliance even after duping him, I think it's a good play. Likely though, Tyson would never trust him, so it makes sense to get rid of him for that reason... and Tyson is a huge threat.

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03-25-2010 , 04:08 PM

#3122

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In fact, nothing would even necessarily have to come up missing. They could do a preemptive strike and vote him off because he might hide something.

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03-25-2010 , 04:08 PM

#3123

vyk07

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Originally Posted by kartinken

His play last night, amazing as it was in the short term, will put a permanent mark on his back so large he won't be able to shake it.

You sir, are a troll, a delusional one at that

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03-25-2010 , 04:09 PM

#3124

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by zer0

Exactly.

Kartinken is so bad at Survivor strategy it's amazing. On one hand Russell CANT WIN ever because he is so bad at the social game and on the other hand he is the FIRST PERSON who will be voted off any show.

Kartinken, here is some basic survivor strategy, 101 level. If you really think a player can never win you want to keep them on the show as long as humanly possible.