Lol at wanting log face back. What intrigued you about her?

I want Shan for entertainment purposes

Anyone ever applied for Survivor? Any tips?

I was wrong ... $100K to Jesse, $50K to Owen and Ryan

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...150000526.html

Apologies, as I don't read all of these season threads, but has anyone ever discussed the idea of a person "throwing" the fire making? I realize it likely would never arise as someone would have to be so certain they couldn't win $1M to even contemplate doing so; however, if they feel their fire making opponent is either so much more deserving or the other two who are making the final three are not, is it even permitted for them to just sit there and do nothing at fire? I'm gonna opine that some day we'll see it happen, and then you can say adios to fire making at final 4.

Adam Klein is a reality casting coach - nice 10 minute video half way down page

https://adamklein.com/casting

Sorry. Not gona scroll past and pretend this is a real thing.

Great way for him to meet 22 year olds tho

There is some level of laddering in terms of prize money for how far you make it so F3 over F4 is a real financial sacrifice. There's also absolutely negative "get invited back" equity if you quit at fire making. Taking out the biggest threat to win is also usually seen by most juries as a mark in your favor so winning here gives you at least some win equity. You also have no idea what's going on at ponderosa.

It will never happen and it's ludicrous to think it could.

Jeff definitely hates quitters.

If somehow you came to the conclusion that throwing fire-making was your best course of action (hard pressed to see how), I don't see how it's possible that just sitting there is optimal, unless your sole reason is to make a statement. You'd be better served to pretend to try and go out valiantly and hope to be invited back

All this. Also, people are generally really delusional about themselves having a chance. And they generally want to win these little skirmishes within the war whether they matter or not.

I feel like if there was some chance of this ever happening, there would already have been a zero vote getter sitting at final tribal council telling the jury they should vote for one of their opponents over the other. Best of my recollection, that has never happened. I don't even remember anyone saying something like, if you don't vote for me, you should vote for x.

The only three sort of examples I can think of is Ian 'quitting' in the final 3 of Palau, Troyzan in Game Changers throwing in the towel at FTC when it became very clear he was getting 0 votes and Ben throwing in the towel at the final 5 of Waw when Natalie returned from EOE and confirmed his thoughts that he would be a slam dunk 0 vote finalist if he got to the end.

Sure someone 'could' in theory throw making, just like they could quit the game at any other point. It's just very unlikely and even if it did would be boring and anticlimactic rather than exciting

Gabler won!

Yikes!

Worst winner not named Chris Underwood

If I ever bothered to do any sort of winners ranking list Chris Underwood will (hopefully) forever remain in the bottom slot

I defense of Underwood, he played well given the rules for that particular season. It was a terrible terrible season but shouldn't diminish Underwood for 'exploiting' the dumb season.

He still got himself booted third from a big tribe despite being in the archetype of a young athletic man. (ahead of Wendy Diaz, and two big target returnee players)

I'm also not 100% he even needed to throw himself into fire, it may have actually been a negative freeroll punt.

Imagine he is probably an average enough player in the grand scheme of everyone though

My feeling on Chris was that EOE was a uniquely bitter jury, consider that beforehand Rick was a jury favorite. Also voted out, also had no influence on the vote.

This era of Survivor is the worst. It actually feels almost post strategy, Calvinball. Too difficult to plan and the mentality of the players particularly with the shortened season seems to be go for the tallest blade of grass.

I don't think Erika was the worst but this is an awful stretch of winners for the most part. 38-43 Tommy and Tony were the only players that I would say were pretty good to excellent to win the game.

Rewatching Tocantins on Netflix. One of the truly great seasons of Survivor and it's because it had so many characters. JT, Taj, Tyson, but especially Coach, who is just the most entertaining delusional jackass of all time.

Watching a post merge episode and Coach is doing his usual posing and flexing for attention. He comes up and someone asks him about what he was doing and he said, with a straight face, that it was an ancient tibetan thing that is only passed down verbally and you couldn't find it if you googled it. Lol. His lies were just so outrageous. People would come to him with ideas, and before the day ended, he would have convinced himself it was his idea and he was masterminding everything. Guy was truly one of a kind delusional nut.

Top 5 casting decisions of all time was Coach. His Tochantins hunger strike boot on exile island is one of the best edited episodes of all time

I watched episode 1 just now. Man I miss the old survivor. Whenever they switched casting from hot models and bartenders and un self aware psychopaths to social engineering case studies was exactly when this show started going downhill.

The good old days when it was all whites

There were plenty of attractive non white players as well.

Gervais tho

This is an interesting take. Why do you think this? If Chris elects to keep his immunity at F4, which of Gavin/Julie/Rick should Chris have taken to FTC?

Obviously I can’t say for sure - but Rick just seemed a jury darling, plus we know he had a few days of pre-merge EOE to butter them up.

We know Chris was a jury darling too — so I could see Rick+Chris splitting a lot of the non-Gavin votes. But hard for me to say Chris gets more of the non-Gavin votes than Rick, except for the fact that Chris had tons of EOE time to butter folks up...but maybe that’s worth a lot.

Well firstly even if both Gavin and Julie are awful at fire, it's still worst case scenario that something like an 20% chance they could still just win fire for him.

But even if Rick wins fire i'm just not 100% it would have been a slam dunk Rick win, as like you said, Chris had a lot more time on the EOE to make 'out of game' personal connections compared to how long Rick spent there.

I still think Rick more like than had the edge in a Rick, Chris, Gavin or Julie final three but its not beyond the realm of possibility that Chris risked finishing 4th unnecessarily