This is wrong imo, I put Roseanne right behind Seinfeld for best Sitcom of the 90's, with Married a spot or two behind.

Plus Roseanne in the Peg role doesn't work as well as Katey Segal.

Here's the schedule everyone has been waiting for:

THE CW's 2012-2013 PRIMETIME SCHEDULE

MONDAY
8:00-9:00 PM 90210 (New Night)
9:00-10:00 PM GOSSIP GIRL (New Time)
(THE CARRIE DIARIES premieres January, 2013)

TUESDAY
8:00-9:00 PM HART OF DIXIE (New Night)
9:00-10:00 PM EMILY OWENS, M.D. (New Series)

WEDNESDAY
8:00-9:00 PM ARROW (New Series)
9:00-10:00 PM SUPERNATURAL (New Night)

THURSDAY
8:00-9:00 PM THE VAMPIRE DIARIES
9:00-10:00 PM BEAUTY AND THE BEAST (New Series)

FRIDAY
8:00-9:00 PM AMERICA’S NEXT TOP MODEL (New Night)
9:00-10:00 PM NIKITA (New Time)

http://www.hitfix.com/articles/the-c...12-13-schedule

ZOMG! Emily Owens MD!

yeah but they all got axed

From a money/fame aspect Roseanne definitely won, no doubt about it.

The family didn't go out on their own, the makers just stopped using the outside world as a real threat to the Terra Nova colony (I think the last really cool thing they did in relation to that was the little dinosaurs that nearly overwhelmed the colony in one of the first 3 or 4 episodes). The only threat became what the Sixers were doing, and the rogue stuff Taylor's son was doing supposedly in tandem with the Sixers (involving making the portal go two ways). Other than that, they focused really heavily on the Shannon family, and added in little plots of subversiveness (not sure this is the right word for it) about Taylor. I've tried to block the show out as much as possible, but basically it can be summed up as "Did not deliver".

so Kyle Bornheimer looks like he's got himself cancelled sitcom #7. I wonder what kinda money that guy makes.

I think I read that exact quote on TV by the Numbers, and it definitely sounds like a demotion, albeit a good one.


It's possible you could be right about the 90s, but both shows started in the 80s, and the 80s years of Married...with Children (the Steve years mostly) were outstanding, and far better, to me, than the 80s Roseanne.

So, I would agree that 90s Roseanne (can't remember how far I got on that show as it crossed part of my college years where I didn't have a TV) was better than 90s Married...with Children, which became really caricatured in its later years. I don't think there's any chance 80s Roseanne was better than the Steve years of Married...with Children, though.

Roseanne would not have worked as Peg Bundy, unless Al was cast completely differently. She was really good with John Goodman, though. Katey Sagal and Ed O'Neill are iconic as Peg and Al, and if it hadn't been them, it might not have made it. FOX had a lot of neat sitcoms in that era that didn't make it for one reason or another, and that's really why Married...with Children stood apart (in addition to the rather biting social commentary that I even wrote a college paper about in college).

They're probably just trying to find the right vehicle for him. I haven't seen much of what he's been in, but he seems okay as an everyman type. He probably makes pretty good money (failures are still well paid failures). He doesn't have to wait tables...yet. If The Family Tools dies, then hopefully he will have saved up a lot of money, or hopefully he gets a guest spot as a rapist/killer on SVU.

Shemar Moore had a pretty so so career until he got Criminal Minds, so he's probably hoping that show goes forever.

nunn, please review these trailers - http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/cw-f...-13-new-shows/

i actually enjoyed Worst Week, aka Meets the Parants on tv. Still to this day the only CBS comedy I ever watched a season of.

BTW, I reserve the right to completely ignore the final season of Roseanne, as I consider it the worst thing to ever be put on television.

Yes, worse than Hogan Knows Best.

Are you messing with me? I don't even recognize the CW as a cable network. However, if you're serious, and even if you're not, I'll do it just for the lulz.

Heh, love the CW.

Cult is a midseason show but it sounds like it could be good.

Here are my "reviews" of the CW trailers, as if anyone cares, and I literally mean anyone.

Arrow-Has the vibe of Supernatural meets Chris Nolan Batman. Has Jamey Sheridan as a bad guy I guess, as if playing the VP on Homeland isn't enough for him. There is one line of dialog in the trailer, and it is told in the form of voiceover. This is it (guy sounds remarkably like Chris Pratt trying to act serious): "The abduction was unexpected. It forced me to move up my plans, but what I told the police was true. The man in the green hood was there in that warehouse, and he's just beginning." Then, the pretty boy takes his shirt off, does a bunch of difficult workout moves, and builds some arrows. The trailer culminates with showing us that he has pinned a bunch of tennis balls to a wall with the force and accuracy of his arrows. When you have no real dialog in a trailer trying to sell your show, you can only imagine how bad the writing is. CW sells pretty people I guess. Well, that is, until we get to the next show.

Beauty and the Beast-Proving that strong dialog is not the CW's forte, this trailer also features nothing but throwaway lines. It again has the vibe of Supernatural (very dark, if I'm not being clear), and starts with two chicks being randomly shot, why? Because they like you, I guess. One tries to get away, but can you believe what happens that causes her to get caught? If you guessed falling down in the woods, you win. Then some monstrous looking creature runs out and saves her. Then he morphs into a monstrous looking pretty boy. The voiceover happens, saying that some people thought it was a bear, blah, blah, blah, but the men who killed her mother were beasts or something. This is from the makers of Benson and The Golden Girls, and is probably the CW's version of Grimm. It might have been nicely paired with Grimm, on NBC, had there actually been any good dialog. The pluses are that it has Kristin Kreuk, who everyone loves from Smallville, and it's from the makers of Benson and The Golden Girls. The minus is that it's on the CW, so it must not be any good.

Emily Owens, MD-The CW obviously saved all of the scripted dialog on their network for this show. There is more dialog (inside one person's head) in this trailer, in the first 10 seconds, than in either of the others. It's snappy dialog, and will probably try to be their grown up version of The Gilmore Girls, or something (The Gilmore Girls is the only show of theirs I know outside of Smallville and Supernatural, because I did work for all three, and The Gilmore Girls seemed pretty decent for what it was). All dialog in life is snappy, and that's apparently what they're going for here.

The basic storyline is that some woman (Emily Owens), after spending 49 years or something in school is finally out and ready to become a grown up doctor. She's so happy that she talks in her head a lot. Then, the worst thing ever happens. Someone recognizes her. In her head, she gets that "oh s***" feeling, and knows it is a mean girl from her high school. After lying and saying she doesn't remember her, the mean girl flirts with the pretty boy doctor standing next to Emily and walks off with him. I guess we're supposed to get that Emily is having a hard time moving on from the past, and that things never quite work out right for her. It's hard to tell, though, since most of the dialog goes on in her head. It's possible she's just crazy.

I don't see 'Rules of Engagement' on the schedule or not returning. Please tell me my favorite sit com didn't get the ax.

Not cancelled but they're still in negotiations. I'd expect it back in a utility role again.

Uh oh. Not canceled, but probably held until midseason or just fitting in where ever. Usually not a good sign. It's at 86 episodes so not really a surprise. I wouldn't be surprised if this was its last season and it was only renewed for syndication purposes. That said, it's ratings were pretty good, like 20% higher than 'only renewed for syndication' territory so I have no idea.

+1

It had nearly identical ratings, to the canceled Rob, but it probably hurts the ratings of Person of Interest, while Rob significantly increased them, as a lead in. That's all moot now, with 2.5 Men taking the POI lead in.

Here are my CBS BTS Trailer reviews, not that anyone cares. I specialize in the post-production sound mixing of these type of pieces, and these were really really painful to listen to. The interview dialog editing was atrocious in all of them. Because of the way CBS does their trailers, the only thing you can really do is look to the clips to find out if they look promising. The BTS trailer, last year, for Person of Interest was really mediocre, but I could see it had some promise through all the b.s. of CBS's terrible marketing department.

Elementary-This show looks extremely good to me, and it has Lucy Liu in it. It is a modern re-telling of Sherlock Holmes, taking place in New York City, with Liu playing Watson. Not much more is needed to be said. The casting looks solid all around, and Aidan Quinn may finally be able to throw away his awful "phoning it in" type performance he did on NBC's Prime Suspect. It's being given the Person of Interest lead in, and they moved The Mentalist to make way. They obviously have extremely high expectations for this show, and I think there is a pretty good chance it will live up to them, as it is matched very well with POI, in my opinion. I think it will easily win the time slot, but will that be enough to be renewed?

Vegas-I love shows featuring old Vegas. The Robert Urich show Vega$ is one of my favorites to ever take place here. Similarly to when a show really commits to shooting and showing Los Angeles, shows taking place in Vegas are fun to look at just for the geography (The Rockford Files is probably my favorite ever L.A. show for that reason). Unfortunately, the show doesn't look very interesting, and I think it will be a hard sell to audiences. It will be up against Private Practice and Parenthood, which means it is good counterprogramming. This slot killed Unforgettable, a show that was maybe good enough to get a second season. I'll check it out, but I think it will have a tough road. Rendle, is there any word on where they're shooting this? Did they build an old Vegas street somewhere, or are they just re-dressing casino signs?

Oh yeah, it's about a guy who reluctantly becomes Sheriff of Las Vegas (I'm assuming Clark County), and kicks butt. It's based on a real life guy, and Michael Chiklis will probably have to break out his platform shoes to be on this show.

Made in Jersey-Yes, there will be parts of the show featuring obnoxious sounding New Jersey accents, intertwining with our protagonist trying to make it as a lawyer in the big city. I would say it's probably a relationship version of Suits (likely without the humor), as Kyle MacLachlan is playing an older version of the protagonist (comes from a rough/poor background who made it to the top). The show seems perfectly matched with Blue Bloods (soapy police drama and soapy law drama), so it should be interesting to see how it does. It's against Grimm and Fringe, so it's probably good counterprogramming.

Partners-From the creators of Will and Grace, it is supposedly somewhat autobiographical, though taking place in a different industry. Gay guy and best straight friend, who are business partners move in together, and watch as life plays out with the straight guy's new girlfriend and the gay guy's new boyfriend. I never saw Will and Grace, but my understanding is that it was very popular. It has a great lead in, so anything below a 2.5 for the premiere is a death blow.

It also has Tracy Vilar in it, who just absolutely kills in every comedy scene I've seen her in. I think she could have an outside chance at an EMMY nom for her guest appearance in 2 Broke Girls, but that's probably wishful thinking. I'll be watching it solely for her, and will see if the rest grabs me.

haha those CW trailers were awesome. I've never watched a show on that network ever, may watch a few pilots this fall for the lulz

You should check out Veronica Mars.

so i thought the same thing , then i saw her on twitter and she has close to 2 million followers . not sure how she got so popular .

Does anyone understand why SVU was renewed. I mean it is a classic but it had horrendous ratings. It hit a new series low literally every week. Why renew this, but give L&O LA the boot which had a much better demo and total viewership than this.

Whoever is the current interm NBC head of programming (Since we know they usually get fired every 4 months) needs to be fired. I won't be watching anything on NBC this fall.

Gonna be LOLing when they are getting 5th place in Spring when they have no Voice.