phill, Im not sure about the other parts, but to me it seems like thats how it happened. Coming up empty was me summarizing the scene, his quote was more like "i went to get shannon out of a bad relationship, but couldnt."

I might be wrong but i can only assume thats the case. IN this alternate reality i dont think everything needs to be the same, as is evident by desmond being on the plane momentarily. In this reality, we're led to believe that this is how it would have played out had the bomb worked and it was all reset. thats just my opinion, i could be like 100% wrong because this show is so nutty.

gis,

I just dont think it all has to be the same, that where we differ i guess

oldgrandma,

no.

I am pretty sure the writers said Shannon wasn't in thi episode because they couldn't get her due to other obligations on her end.

also wreckage that Juliet is under is the crap from the expladed swan station of the wreakage from the drill etc?????? Sawyer says it was the hatch but that crap on top of Juliet looked an awful lot like the same junk that was there in 1977???????

Dunno if this has already been disproven or confirmed but I've been thinking for a couple of seasons now that the island will eventually be revealed to be the garden of eden. Sort of explains the healing powers/longevity and why people can't reproduce there.

Yeah, i meant Michael. Trouble with having 30-50 characters spanning half a decade is remembering everyone, lol.

I agree that Claire was on the plane. Thas my point, that they were there but we just didnt see them all.

The Hatch existed in one universe that was created where they flashed to the future but not the other. It had to exist in the one where they woke up on the island to have the plane crash, but in the other it didnt so the plane didnt crash.

Basically they moved in just time in one instance and time and space in the other.

OK, well I am glad that someone at some point sometime discussed the obvious religious angles. I guess they were, ahem, lost to me in the millions of words written about Lost.

Meanwhile, (Phill) did a really nice job earlier with his details.

Unless he was wrong.

In which case he's even dumber than I am, because at least I knew not to try.

But I think he did fine.

Great episode, and reading this thread is damn funny...but one question:

Why didn't they take Juliette with them if they think the temple is going to somehow heal Sayid? I mean, it can't hurt, right?

Wow this thread exploded. Ok, I thought the craziest part of the episode was the last part, where "Locke"/Smoke Monster beats Richard's ass after saying something about seeing him chained, and then said "I'm very disappointed in all of you."

Was I missing obvious something here, or looking into it too deeply? If this was discussed already, my mistake, I'm at work and can't really read through the whole thread atm.

yea this has been my belief as well.

Right! So if it makes sense for Claire not to have a child, then it can make sense for Michael to have impregnated Walt's mother some 5-6 years earlier.

BRING WALT BACK!!!

Juliet was dead. Sayid wasn't. I think they can only heal the hurt in the temple as opposed to bringing people back to life.

wasn't there reproduction going on in dharma vile in 1977 though?

they wouldnt allow her in cause she wasnt on that list that jacob sent. sayid lives cause jacob wanted it so, now sayid = jacob imo

Are you sure about this?

She was already dead, and dead is dead.

The episode was great, but devoting 20 minutes to Juliet out of the hatch to die seemed like a waste. Perhaps it is somewhat significant, but it didn't seem that way.

we're assuming richard was a slave on the black rock because flocke said "nice to see you out of your chains" or something like that. Someone also mentioned he could be an egyptian slave which also makes sense to me

I don't see how the smoke monsters actions have been inconsistend over time? The post that you were quoting that said this was talking about how Ben called on the Smoke Monster for protection... he didn't seem to know what it was but obviously the smoke monster would want to protect him and prevent him from leaving the island so that he could kill Jacob. I'm not sure that it's clear that Richard knew about Ben's use of the smoke monster at any point is it?

is it possible smokey/MIB was in servitude of jacob somehow ? and since Jacob had control of the island, smokey could be called to duty so to speak for example by Ben in season 4?

Damon and Carlton address Shannon in the interview posted earlier

This isn't true. In universe 1 there were definitely things that happened off the island that were the result of the islands existence. For example, we can speculate that no one on 815 that lands ever met Jacob earlier in their life where many people on 815 that crashed had.

Also in flash sideways 2004 Juliet is presumably never hired by Richard/the others.


Also not sure there is really 3 universes. The bomb detonating seems to have created a 2nd one and simultaneously snapped the time traveling losties back to the correct point in their universe 1 timeline. This group has now existed in each universe (when they were in the past they were in what became the new universe, now they are back in universe 1 though).




People need to remember that the island timeline is like 2007 and the new landed in LA timeline is 2004. Not a super important point, but could def. be relevant.

Lost has always had spiritual links. Jacob being good/the light and the smoke guy being bad/the dark and the constant battle between them. The Others always referred to themselves as Good People and the chosen.

Tbh i see the religion as a "bring your own interpretation" to the table, kinda like Battlestar did. I dont think the island is a literal Eden or Purgatory or any of the other theories over the years such as Atlantis but it could easily be a link through history that inspired such stories.

As someone said Jacob represents rebirth and life - he lived underneath the four toed statue of Taweret which is the Egyptian god of birth and rebirth.

Him being reborn into the body of Saieed would track with this.

Also fwiw ive had plenty of theories right and wrong throughout the history of this show, but my batting average isnt bad

Is this confirmed? I mean we didnt see anything but shoulder up iirc?

Yes, i meant the stuff like the characters interacting with each other, Jack's dad going to see Claire, Sawyer shooting the dude, Kate being on the run and being caught by the fed etc etc.

My best interpretation right now is the island died (maybe literally) in the universe where they landed at LAX when the bomb went off so Juliet and Desmond didnt end up on the island in the past and Jacob didnt influence people's lives etc.

Yes, +1000000000

Oh damn, excellent call on this. Never even occurred to me.

What did you guys make of the "very disappointed in you" line, by Flocke after he picked up Richard and put him over his shoulder?

So who is ADAM and who is EVE?