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***Official*** LOST Final Season Discussion, Episode 8 ***Official*** LOST Final Season Discussion, Episode 8

03-17-2010 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
What is to explain?

Henry Gale was a balloonist on a round the world trip sponsored by Widmore (like the boat race Desmond was on) and he landed on the island. He died when his neck was broken, possibly when he crashed on the island but more likely when he ran into an Other.
We don't necessarily know it was a trip like Desmond's just because Widmore sponsored it. But I don't think that's important anyway.

The real question I have is how and why did he get to the Island? Based on everything we've seen on this show, it seems like everyone who has arrived on the Island has arrived for some sort of purpose/was propelled by someone to arrive.

And yeah, his neck was broken. You're not at all curious about the circumstances behind that? And why Ben would use his identity even though his body was obviously able to have been dug up? And how Ben got caught in Rousseau's trap when he was first captured?
03-17-2010 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Conz
one of the best in the past 3 years? stretch. Ben knows he's a pawn now. it was a good character turn for him I guess, but it was still boring. What the hell else was he supposed to do? He knows what the smoke monster is capable of, he was played by him to kill Jacob, he's just gonna run back to him? And I want something other than a main character having a conversation with a basically unknown woman with a gun while digging his own grave for 15 minutes. Couple that with a side story that we can pretty much predict...oh, Ben did the right thing, he's still a bit of a conniver, oh he's changed, but some qualities still remain! the flashes are tedious.

I will agree with you on the flash sideways, but I am giving the writers some leeway hoping they tie it together in good fashion. But I do think the turning of the badest of the bad guys into a non factor in the showdown is pretty momentus. Basically, Frank is probably more important to the story line than Ben is right now.
03-17-2010 , 01:02 AM
i dont really see that as momentus, an i bet Ben has a heroic death coming his way.

I fully expect, and put all my faith in the writers down the homestretch, but for now, impatient or not, I'm expressing my disappointment.
03-17-2010 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
again, with all due respect, I disagree. Ben has been a megalomaniacal character from the very start. he was out for ben at all cost. In the last episode, the showed him go through a transformation. It wasn't a Ben moment of "ok illana, i'll go with you" it was a "I have no one that will take me" and Illana says "I will take you"

So after all that, Ben was accepted, and realized he wasn't meant to be the leader and just gave it up.


Look at the last three episodes


Sayid
Ben
Sawyer

Sayid didn't change
Ben Changed
Sawyer didn't change


Sayid and sawyer are with the MiB, Ben isn't. This is a crucial piece of the puzzle they are giving you. Ben isn't trying to be evil anyore, like Sayid is/was.
Sayid is catatonic like Clair. That would be the 'evil' Dogan spoke of. But to place Sawyer in league with MiB is to not really have a grasp of the Sawyer character in any timeline. If he is one thing, its consistent in his actions, himself and who HE choses is all that matters. Even MiB knows that about Saywer.
03-17-2010 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
again, with all due respect, I disagree. Ben has been a megalomaniacal character from the very start. he was out for ben at all cost. In the last episode, the showed him go through a transformation. It wasn't a Ben moment of "ok illana, i'll go with you" it was a "I have no one that will take me" and Illana says "I will take you"

So after all that, Ben was accepted, and realized he wasn't meant to be the leader and just gave it up.


Look at the last three episodes


Sayid
Ben
Sawyer

Sayid didn't change
Ben Changed
Sawyer didn't change


Sayid and sawyer are with the MiB, Ben isn't. This is a crucial piece of the puzzle they are giving you. Ben isn't trying to be evil anyore, like Sayid is/was.
Sayid is infected and is being influenced by forces that are out of his control.

Ben hit rock bottom, but I'd be willing to bet we haven't seen the last of Ben's classic conniving on the island.

As evidenced by his chat with Kate after telling Flocke he was loyal to him, we still don't know where is allegiances lie.

I think we'll have to find out a little more about alt-reality to see if anyone actually changed.
03-17-2010 , 01:07 AM
Also I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet but the scene where Claire has this smirk on her face and randomly and weirdly grabs Kate's hand and holds it was an indication to me that she was somehow spreading whatever possessed her to Kate as retribution for Aaron. And then later on she just hugs her out of the blue to apologize and seemed to go out of her way to make more physical contact.

Or maybe I am just overanalyzing things/hoping they hook up at some point...
03-17-2010 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDespot
We don't necessarily know it was a trip like Desmond's just because Widmore sponsored it. But I don't think that's important anyway.

The real question I have is how and why did he get to the Island? Based on everything we've seen on this show, it seems like everyone who has arrived on the Island has arrived for some sort of purpose/was propelled by someone to arrive.

And yeah, his neck was broken. You're not at all curious about the circumstances behind that? And why Ben would use his identity even though his body was obviously able to have been dug up? And how Ben got caught in Rousseau's trap when he was first captured?
Wasnt it specifically shown that Ben let himself be captured so he could find out more about the Losties?

Also Gale might have been summoned by Jacob and killed by Smoky. Tbh i dont care about finding out that or not, ill just file it under one of a hundred unanswered questions from the show.
03-17-2010 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cres
Sayid is catatonic like Clair. That would be the 'evil' Dogan spoke of. But to place Sawyer in league with MiB is to not really have a grasp of the Sawyer character in any timeline. If he is one thing, its consistent in his actions, himself and who HE choses is all that matters. Even MiB knows that about Saywer.


This is true. But I'm just saying that Sawyer's character is evil in the sense that he is a sociopath. Not a murderer like Sayid, but still on the evil side of the equation. Just like Kate is a sociopath.
03-17-2010 , 01:18 AM
Neither are true sociopaths though they have several characteristics of sociopaths and neither are on the side of Smoky.
03-17-2010 , 01:18 AM
I agree on the sociopath trait, but have a hard time with an evil label for Sawyer.
03-17-2010 , 01:23 AM
Long time lost lurker, first time poster. Read all the threads.

I agree Linus was the best episode of the season and one of my favorite in the show.

Excited to see Charles Widmore back in the saddle.

This one was pretty solid, I'd give it a B+, but I am wondering how they are going to explain Flocke's island jumping. I'm not trying to be that guy pointing out plot holes, but isn't Flocke's entire character motivation that he wants to get off the island? How does he travel from island to island then, or if he doesn't (if we believe that he wasn't the one who killed everyone on the plane) how does he plan to get to the Hydra? Or do all the islands count as one big Flocke container?
03-17-2010 , 01:24 AM
Sawyer is pretty clearly not evil. He has murdered one person in his life in error and he felt remorse. He also killed some other people but life and death self defence etc. Also his reaction to losing Juliet and the way he left all that money to his kid and the list goes on.

I mean he is no saint,but he isnt evil.
03-17-2010 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
You guys are crazy. I had uber low expectations for the last season and it has been great so far. There isnt one single thing worse about this season than any season previously.
I agree, I think the only thing to really complain about is things seem a bit drawn out these past two seasons to get to the end. However, I'm certain right after the final episode I'll have wished it was drawn out even more. My only other complaint is I've pretty much stopped talking in person about what is going on with the show since no one is ever right anyway.

I like the flash sideways but I do worry they seem to be developing too slowly to mean much. Next week should be killer though.
03-17-2010 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Gildwulf
Long time lost lurker, first time poster. Read all the threads.

I agree Linus was the best episode of the season and one of my favorite in the show.

Excited to see Charles Widmore back in the saddle.

This one was pretty solid, I'd give it a B+, but I am wondering how they are going to explain Flocke's island jumping. I'm not trying to be that guy pointing out plot holes, but isn't Flocke's entire character motivation that he wants to get off the island? How does he travel from island to island then, or if he doesn't (if we believe that he wasn't the one who killed everyone on the plane) how does he plan to get to the Hydra? Or do all the islands count as one big Flocke container?
I assume he is contained by the weird time field thing that screws people up when they dont leave in a really specific direction. Going from the main island to the small island is within these confines.
03-17-2010 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDespot
Also I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet but the scene where Claire has this smirk on her face and randomly and weirdly grabs Kate's hand and holds it was an indication to me that she was somehow spreading whatever possessed her to Kate as retribution for Aaron. And then later on she just hugs her out of the blue to apologize and seemed to go out of her way to make more physical contact.

Or maybe I am just overanalyzing things/hoping they hook up at some point...
If that's the case, when she was doctoring Jin's leg, he would have gotten the infection from her too.

So...I'm pretty sure that's not the case but I'm definitely looking forward to what Doc Jensen on ew.com has to say about that tomorrow. It was definitely a weird moment when Claire held Kate's hand.
03-17-2010 , 01:26 AM
havent read yet

but i still think it's pretty amazing that i haven't caught F-locke in one lie yet
03-17-2010 , 01:26 AM
and i liked the episode a lot
03-17-2010 , 01:27 AM
why hasnt anyone asked Smokey wtf he is? He told Sawyer and he just accepted it.

stupid show keeps me up all night after i watch it
03-17-2010 , 01:27 AM
I looked on my DVR for next week and it says LOST is running from 9:00-10:06 (east coast USA). 6 extra minutes of LOST w00t!
03-17-2010 , 01:30 AM
Also, I'm assuming next week will be an old-school flashback-style episode? No way there will be any sideways-ness. Will probably be similar to "The First 48 Days" and any other "all island" episodes.
03-17-2010 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Neither are true sociopaths though they have several characteristics of sociopaths and neither are on the side of Smoky.


but it's def me>>>>>> you for sawyer and kate


i agree sawyer isn't WITH anyone though


not all sociopaths are killers
03-17-2010 , 01:31 AM
Also, since I'm assuming it will be flashbacks, I wonder if the whoosh sound will go back to the way it used to sound and not the airplane sounding whoosh we've had so far this season. Just speculating on insignificant details.
03-17-2010 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Conz
why hasnt anyone asked Smokey wtf he is? He told Sawyer and he just accepted it.

stupid show keeps me up all night after i watch it
Because this should would have lasted a single season if everyone told everyone else everything and people asked the right questions.

Though tbh ill agree that exchange was a little odd and was deserving of at least Sawyer cracking a one liner.
03-17-2010 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 4thstreetpete
LOL @ the pudgy faced kid holding the gun at Sawyer
he was from Kate and Allie, lol
03-17-2010 , 01:32 AM
I like how Sawyer gets to bang that chick and then arrest her right after.

      
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