It's far and away my favorite show, but the WWFesque boss vs. employee story line always bothered me a bit.... It was nice to see Jane Fonda actually show some affection/loyalty to her product.

I thought it was the best scene since the beginning of episode 1.

Sorkin will prob just recycle "you can't handle the truth" if there is a court room scene.

i find it interesting that for the most part i agree with both sides of this argument.
i think the critiques of NR are spot on and yet i still find the show (what little ive seen) highly enjoyable.

and fwiw my default was to not like it as in general im not a fan of the self-rightous sappy we're so great vibe i got from the bits and pieces i saw of the 1st season and the promos.

his dialogue really is top notch tho.

This. I take TV pretty seriously and I can't think of the last time a show with so many glaring faults made me want to defend it so vigorously.

I'd still watch this show with three main characters gone, if that's what it came down to. Even cutting Will would be difficult but you could probably do it. The show doesn't necessarily have to be The Adventures of Will McAvoy to work imo. I like Jeff Daniels and love Sam Waterston but it's not as if there aren't other actors out there. Mackenzie is expendable.

As long as Sorkin's writing well I think it would be fine and add a little authenticity to what he's trying to do post-Genoa. I could buy their credibility and holier-than-thou approach before, but now they seem kind of like a group of well-intentioned ****-ups. Part of their charm was that they were good at their jobs and there was something extraordinary about what they were doing. Turns out, not so much.

In the minority but so far I like Season 1 better.

People who are great at their jobs can **** up. In fact, the great are most likely to experience a big failure because they are the most likely to take a big risk.

I have leveled a lot of the criticism against the show in this thread but overall I find it highly enjoyable too. Sorkin is so talented that it's impossible to go 50 minutes without seeing at least 1 great scene and a few good ones.

this

that's why i never got the hate for studio 60. matthew perry & bradley whitford were so good with sorkin-dialogue i found it impossible not to enjoy each episode despite the silly love stuff.

This is pretty generic, and I don't think it applies all that well to a major story about a US war crime. If wrong, it's potentially massively libelous (not to mention counter to just about every journalistic principle there is). There wasn't room for risk. The Genoa story needed to be absolutely watertight or set aside until it was. 98% sure is not a good gamble because you don't gamble on a story like that. You can't.

The show even detailed all of the screw ups they made in putting the story together. They never put together that Charlie and Will had the same source? Missed brain trauma on the background check? Nobody followed up with the General or notice a shot clock jumping on the raw footage? The hell were they talking about for 9 months?

McAvoy and Mackenzie would be shown the door anywhere, and others beyond them. This is a nightmare fail not some minor embarrassment.

that intern is smoking hot. she needs her own show

I'm watching last weeks episode, and man wtf is with this dead son fired intern? lol? He thought about having Charlie killed because his son got fired from an intership? What am I missing here?

you are missing the entire point of this story.

One thing that makes that whole thing even more ******ed, Don brings up "safety" in one of the meetings ie whether there will be unrest in the Muslim world as a result of this story, which would put many more American soldiers in danger, and so this pentagon national security source whoever he is apparently not only wants to destroy Charlie but doesn't mind putting American soldiers in harm's way doing it. A completely insane 'twist' or 'reveal' or device or whatever, how that ever gets written into the show is mind bottling.

I know! What is it????

it's been a while since i had good bottling of the mind

The kid was on the straight and narrow, 90 days sober, then got fired, fell off the wagon and died. He views the firing as the ultimate cause when it's in fact the proximate cause of his sons death.

Yeah anyone who thinks of killing jack McCoy in that situation is a complete lunatic

Renewed for a 3rd season

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Oh boy, Sorkin's take on Zimmerman/Martin incoming. That ought to stir up some ****

I don't get why ACN would be in such hot water when a Gov't employee admits to cooking up the story to get "revenge" on Charlie? Why not report that?

Also, Jerry admits to doctoring the tape. ACN snap-fires him. He sues? GTFO. Again, just admit what happened, no?

Still enjoying this show immensely.

What evidence did the gov't employee actually give? A manifest with a tool-bending wrench or some BS? I can't recall but did he ever say outright that there were chemical weapons used?

I mean if his intent was to screw Charlie at all costs he could have done worse.

yeah he didnt really say much and the evidence wasnt much evidence at all ...

also just cause its on the news , you can see how serious sarin gas accusations are, w/ the syria crisis all over the news . .

Really a shame there wasn't a new episode last week because I would wager a fair amount of folks just assumed the end of Genoa was the end of the season. ****ty timing.

Thought it was great tonight though. Would imagine Mac eventually convinces Will to go with the Petraeus stuff and that's how he comes to trust her again or something. But Charlie centric episodes are great episodes. Really think his writing for Charlie approaches some of the stuff that was written for Leo.

I'm really digging this show now. Great episode...they've really got a nice balance going on now with the serious/comic tone.