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Originally Posted by electricladylnd
I wonder what he did to be locked up, he must have vandalized something when he was losing his mind or the shrinks boyfriend got him arrested? Still, I doubt he does time for vandalism and he would probably get more time for hacking.
One thing we learned in The Night of (at least I did) was that orange jumpsuits mean violent offenders. It's not for hacking or vandalism under that idea. We know he has major anger management issues, so he certainly could be in for something violent. It just makes no sense right now why he's in jail/prison, unless he's always been in prison since the show started. Let's hope not.
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Yeah that was bad. They pretty much just decided to stop lying to the audience? No big plot point, just... "OK so we're wrapping up the Craig Robinson plotline, oh and P.S. this other stuff was a lie".
I assumed that ELLIOT was also confused, like this was a delusion of his own that his ****ed up brain had created to cope, but the narration there was pretty much that it was done for the audience's benefit. Like the twist show needed a twist, and they already did Fight Club so this time we did half-assed Shutter Island.
Just completely off the rails.
The scene where he burned the journal was basically telling the audience there was absolutely zero point to Elliot's storyline in the entire season up to this point. You could literally re-cut the whole season, removing him, and it probably wouldn't be terrible.
Big issues with the jail storyline are his visitors. His sister came to visit him, Gideon came to visit him, Angela came to visit him, and others I think, but I can't remember who. We have this major league hack that's happened, out of All Safe, essentially, and no one's putting this stuff together? This is incredibly sloppy writing if any of it's real. If none of what's happened is real, then wow. Regardless, this story is so scattered and nonsensical in so many areas it's hopeless to analyze it. It was very obvious he was institutionalized (psychologically or jail) since episode 1, so if they thought that was some crazy twist, it was a pretty big fail.
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Originally Posted by Punker
I'm still a little confused about what represented what.
Was Robinson a security guard at the prison running contrabrand for prisoners via the web site?
The only thing that makes sense in a prison/jail is Warden. Correctional Officers probably wouldn't have that level of access. He could also be a trustee, but that seems unlikely. He has way too much freedom of movement.
In a psychiatric prison, he could absolutely be the prison psychologist/psychiatrist. The way the character was presented could almost be seen as stages of treatment (service animal, talking, and breaking down facades). I think it's possible USA said no way on mental institution (if they didn't see the twist coming in the scripts), and it was changed to jail once shows had already begun being shot. Jail is a big problem, because there's so much more info we need for that to even begin to remotely make sense in the context of the events in the big world going on outside of Elliot.
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Originally Posted by MarsMuzak
^^^That mostly seems right. The part that seems a little thin to me is that Ray had no trouble acting like a total gangsta towards Elliot and Ponytail, torturing Ponytail in front of his family and beating the **** out of Elliot, but he happens to peek at the stuff being trafficked on HIS OWN WEBSITE and suddenly becomes born again? Like, he draws a hard line at human trafficking or hits for hire and is willing to go to prison because he has enabled it?
We need a lot more info about Ray, that's very clear.
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Other pieces I'm still trying to puzzle out:
1. Tyrell can't really be dead, can he? We heard him make that phone call back in the s2 premier. Seems like they are just trying to set up another twist.
Something useful about the bores they put in front of shows is that they often are trying to force you to look at where they're going with the narrative. I think that Tyrell is dead only because of the Elliot scene with Tyrell's wife. When he asked where Tyrell was, she acted like he couldn't be serious. They've already set up that Elliot killed him, and they've also set up that she knows this. Elliot is the only one who didn't know. Elliot received the call inside his created delusion, you can't trust that as any part of reality.
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2. What is the Elliot - Joanna connection, and why was she paying off the parking lot attendant where Elliot woke up after 5/9? When did Elliot run into her on the street pushing the stroller? Wasn't that this season, after he was already supposed to be in what we now know to be prison (or is my timeline off)?
It would make sense that she knows Tyrell is dead, and she wants that phat severance. The parking attendant must have seen Tyrell, but hadn't seen him since. Maybe he even discovered the body. We just don't know.
Elliot ran into her toward the end of season one, and asked her where Tyrell was. I think it was after he woke up in the car.
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3. In the wake of 5/9, there doesn't seem to be enough time elapsing for him to have done another crime (even a minor one), gotten caught, tried, convicted, and sentenced. I'm thinking all that must have happened before the series starts, and he is out on parole when we first meet him, with regularly scheduled visits to his psychiatrist in the terms of parole. Maybe he skips a couple of meetings with her and thus has to serve out his sentence back in prison?
Yes, this is a huge story problem created by this reveal. No one's thinking about crime if this hack actually happened. They're thinking about fixing it. No one's getting locked up for some minor s***, and the court systems would be massively backed up. Jail makes no logical sense, unless we're seeing a very different timeline than the one going on in the "real" world outside of Elliot. Again, mental institution or asylum were very believable, jail is not, unless he's trying to set up another yuge twist.
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4. But if my theory 3. above is true, his crime couldn't really have been hacking related, because no way he gets that job at Gideon's internet security company with a cyber crime conviction. So maybe back to him going nuts at work and destroying a bunch of property, or whatever he told Darlene in the flashback. We'd need another explanation for how Ray comes to know he is a super hacker, but that could be easily done.
Questions that lead to more questions...
Yep, and I don't think he would be locked up in a global crisis for a parole violation over a bunch of destroyed equipment. He certainly wouldn't be wearing an orange jumpsuit. Something else seems to be going on here, I personally have no investment in that part of the story, and couldn't care less what the reality is enough to invest time in trying to figure it out.
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Originally Posted by King~of~Diamonds
Sick gotcha, bruh. Why do you think he's in jail? Does what we've seen support that? It would have to be a person in power to know his "record", which he probably doesn't even have. It's very unlikely he's in for hacking (again orange means violent offender), and if he is, the story we're seeing must not be taking place in the same time period as the outside world (since it seems very unlikely he has any cyber crime on his record based on Mars's thoughts). I'm not sure many writers would think a split timeline is a good thing, but it would be a yuge twist amirite?
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Originally Posted by Eewert
Got to agree. Peak Hannibal and peak Mr Robot are about equal, but whole body of work is much stronger for Hannibal.
No. Peak Hannibal was tippy top television, this is not even close to that. It's offensive that Hannibal had zero Emmy nominations, when it could have been nominated everywhere almost, and this has six. That's super duper offensive. This show would be a blip on the radar 2 years ago, but the drama category is pretty light (saw a list of easily 3 other shows that probably deserved an Emmy nomination over this that didn't even include two real snubs, Rectify and Halt and Catch Fire).
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Originally Posted by electricladylnd
Also, peak Hannibal is still a hell of a lot better than peak Robot.
Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>