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Old 08-24-2016, 08:19 PM   #1101
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Re: New Show- Mr. Robot

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This show is terrible at chess.
by terrible do you mean better, with more attention to detail than any other show in history? if so, yeah, i agree.

regarding the games in episode 4:

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Ray vs. Elliot
This game followed the moves of 'The Immortal Game' played in 1851, one of the most legendary games in chess history. The white player (Adolf Anderssen) sacrificed both of his rooks and his queen to get checkmate, probably the only time that's happened in top-level competition. In the show, the players' lack of reaction to this spectacular checkmate stretches believability, even for the near-catatonic Elliot 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortal_Game
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1018910

Elliot vs. Mr. Robot - Game 1
This is an artificial game, created by Sam Loyd. His goal was to produce the shortest possible game which ends in stalemate - in this case, after only 10 moves, black cannot make a legal move and the game is over and declared a draw. The moves make no sense whatsoever, other than to achieve the final position. An actual game would never, ever go like this, but it's quite a remarkable feat, to compose a game that reaches stalemate so quickly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalem...te_in_problems

Elliot vs. Mr. Robot - Game 2
The final position is not shown, but it looks like they are just re-playing Game 1.

Elliot vs. Mr. Robot - Game 3
This is another artificially composed game, this one by Enzo Minerva. The notable thing about this game is that it's the shortest possible game in which a position is reached where BOTH sides cannot make a legal move - it doesn't matter whether it's white or black's turn. A double stalemate/mutual stalemate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalem...uble_stalemate
from: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/gen...-show-mr-robot
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Old 08-24-2016, 10:07 PM   #1102
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I wonder what he did to be locked up, he must have vandalized something when he was losing his mind or the shrinks boyfriend got him arrested? Still, I doubt he does time for vandalism and he would probably get more time for hacking.
One thing we learned in The Night of (at least I did) was that orange jumpsuits mean violent offenders. It's not for hacking or vandalism under that idea. We know he has major anger management issues, so he certainly could be in for something violent. It just makes no sense right now why he's in jail/prison, unless he's always been in prison since the show started. Let's hope not.

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Yeah that was bad. They pretty much just decided to stop lying to the audience? No big plot point, just... "OK so we're wrapping up the Craig Robinson plotline, oh and P.S. this other stuff was a lie".

I assumed that ELLIOT was also confused, like this was a delusion of his own that his ****ed up brain had created to cope, but the narration there was pretty much that it was done for the audience's benefit. Like the twist show needed a twist, and they already did Fight Club so this time we did half-assed Shutter Island.

Just completely off the rails.
The scene where he burned the journal was basically telling the audience there was absolutely zero point to Elliot's storyline in the entire season up to this point. You could literally re-cut the whole season, removing him, and it probably wouldn't be terrible.

Big issues with the jail storyline are his visitors. His sister came to visit him, Gideon came to visit him, Angela came to visit him, and others I think, but I can't remember who. We have this major league hack that's happened, out of All Safe, essentially, and no one's putting this stuff together? This is incredibly sloppy writing if any of it's real. If none of what's happened is real, then wow. Regardless, this story is so scattered and nonsensical in so many areas it's hopeless to analyze it. It was very obvious he was institutionalized (psychologically or jail) since episode 1, so if they thought that was some crazy twist, it was a pretty big fail.

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I'm still a little confused about what represented what.

Was Robinson a security guard at the prison running contrabrand for prisoners via the web site?
The only thing that makes sense in a prison/jail is Warden. Correctional Officers probably wouldn't have that level of access. He could also be a trustee, but that seems unlikely. He has way too much freedom of movement.

In a psychiatric prison, he could absolutely be the prison psychologist/psychiatrist. The way the character was presented could almost be seen as stages of treatment (service animal, talking, and breaking down facades). I think it's possible USA said no way on mental institution (if they didn't see the twist coming in the scripts), and it was changed to jail once shows had already begun being shot. Jail is a big problem, because there's so much more info we need for that to even begin to remotely make sense in the context of the events in the big world going on outside of Elliot.

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^^^That mostly seems right. The part that seems a little thin to me is that Ray had no trouble acting like a total gangsta towards Elliot and Ponytail, torturing Ponytail in front of his family and beating the **** out of Elliot, but he happens to peek at the stuff being trafficked on HIS OWN WEBSITE and suddenly becomes born again? Like, he draws a hard line at human trafficking or hits for hire and is willing to go to prison because he has enabled it?
We need a lot more info about Ray, that's very clear.

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Other pieces I'm still trying to puzzle out:

1. Tyrell can't really be dead, can he? We heard him make that phone call back in the s2 premier. Seems like they are just trying to set up another twist.
Something useful about the bores they put in front of shows is that they often are trying to force you to look at where they're going with the narrative. I think that Tyrell is dead only because of the Elliot scene with Tyrell's wife. When he asked where Tyrell was, she acted like he couldn't be serious. They've already set up that Elliot killed him, and they've also set up that she knows this. Elliot is the only one who didn't know. Elliot received the call inside his created delusion, you can't trust that as any part of reality.

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2. What is the Elliot - Joanna connection, and why was she paying off the parking lot attendant where Elliot woke up after 5/9? When did Elliot run into her on the street pushing the stroller? Wasn't that this season, after he was already supposed to be in what we now know to be prison (or is my timeline off)?
It would make sense that she knows Tyrell is dead, and she wants that phat severance. The parking attendant must have seen Tyrell, but hadn't seen him since. Maybe he even discovered the body. We just don't know.

Elliot ran into her toward the end of season one, and asked her where Tyrell was. I think it was after he woke up in the car.

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3. In the wake of 5/9, there doesn't seem to be enough time elapsing for him to have done another crime (even a minor one), gotten caught, tried, convicted, and sentenced. I'm thinking all that must have happened before the series starts, and he is out on parole when we first meet him, with regularly scheduled visits to his psychiatrist in the terms of parole. Maybe he skips a couple of meetings with her and thus has to serve out his sentence back in prison?
Yes, this is a huge story problem created by this reveal. No one's thinking about crime if this hack actually happened. They're thinking about fixing it. No one's getting locked up for some minor s***, and the court systems would be massively backed up. Jail makes no logical sense, unless we're seeing a very different timeline than the one going on in the "real" world outside of Elliot. Again, mental institution or asylum were very believable, jail is not, unless he's trying to set up another yuge twist.

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4. But if my theory 3. above is true, his crime couldn't really have been hacking related, because no way he gets that job at Gideon's internet security company with a cyber crime conviction. So maybe back to him going nuts at work and destroying a bunch of property, or whatever he told Darlene in the flashback. We'd need another explanation for how Ray comes to know he is a super hacker, but that could be easily done.

Questions that lead to more questions...
Yep, and I don't think he would be locked up in a global crisis for a parole violation over a bunch of destroyed equipment. He certainly wouldn't be wearing an orange jumpsuit. Something else seems to be going on here, I personally have no investment in that part of the story, and couldn't care less what the reality is enough to invest time in trying to figure it out.

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Sick gotcha, bruh. Why do you think he's in jail? Does what we've seen support that? It would have to be a person in power to know his "record", which he probably doesn't even have. It's very unlikely he's in for hacking (again orange means violent offender), and if he is, the story we're seeing must not be taking place in the same time period as the outside world (since it seems very unlikely he has any cyber crime on his record based on Mars's thoughts). I'm not sure many writers would think a split timeline is a good thing, but it would be a yuge twist amirite?

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Got to agree. Peak Hannibal and peak Mr Robot are about equal, but whole body of work is much stronger for Hannibal.
No. Peak Hannibal was tippy top television, this is not even close to that. It's offensive that Hannibal had zero Emmy nominations, when it could have been nominated everywhere almost, and this has six. That's super duper offensive. This show would be a blip on the radar 2 years ago, but the drama category is pretty light (saw a list of easily 3 other shows that probably deserved an Emmy nomination over this that didn't even include two real snubs, Rectify and Halt and Catch Fire).

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Also, peak Hannibal is still a hell of a lot better than peak Robot.
Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Old 08-24-2016, 11:12 PM   #1103
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Re: New Show- Mr. Robot

First episode I've watched live in weeks. Glad I did. Great episode.
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Old 08-25-2016, 12:35 AM   #1104
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Re: New Show- Mr. Robot

Nunn,

Why are you claiming orange jumpsuit means violent offender?
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Old 08-25-2016, 02:15 AM   #1105
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with no elliot this week felt like a LOST episode
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Old 08-25-2016, 04:12 AM   #1106
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Told you the show would work without Elliot. Darlene is now a serial killer, which is probably more interesting than crazy Elliot. Party will certainly be over next week, though.

It wasn't established well, but I'm assuming the iPhone/Android scene was a flashback.
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Old 08-25-2016, 05:43 AM   #1107
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Dumb question, but how did Darlene figure out the white Dark Army guy's password?
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Old 08-25-2016, 06:32 AM   #1108
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She's a hacker, she hacked it. The guy wouldn't have left it turned on and hackable like that (he would have turned it off, so assuming it's encrypted she wouldn't have been able to access it) but he did for the storyline, so yeh.
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Old 08-25-2016, 06:46 AM   #1109
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I believe the orange jumpsuit = violent criminal was misinterpreted. In the other show you mentioned they implied that the jury relates an orange jumpsuit to a violent criminal, so you shouldn't wear that at a hearing if you don't want them to immediately think you're a monster.
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Old 08-25-2016, 07:16 AM   #1110
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Hannibal is diet Holmes, couldn't even finish 1 ep. I see why it was cancelled by nbc and why Netflix and Amazon passed. That genre is tired and has been done better.

Mr Robot otoh pulls people in with the first scene and people actually look forward to it every week so it's not surprising it has nominations. Even the people that were ready to quit watching s2 are back here every week and they will be in s3 too, nitting everything.
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Old 08-25-2016, 07:25 AM   #1111
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Orange jumpsuits have nothing to do with the type of crime, if the jail has an orange outfit then everyone wears orange
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Old 08-25-2016, 07:29 AM   #1112
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One thing we learned in The Night of (at least I did) was that orange jumpsuits mean violent offenders.
one thing we learned from '60 days in' (at least i did) is that everybody wears the same color jumpsuit no matter what they did.
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Old 08-25-2016, 08:13 AM   #1113
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Jumpsuit color and whether it is used to classify inmates varies from state to state. Some states it's representative of the type of crime, some it isn't. The article below suggests most inmates in Rikers wear street clothes and only get orange jumpsuits when in solitary.

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Inmates at Rikers often wear street clothes (no gang colors or logos allowed), and sentenced inmates wear green uniforms. Adolescents wear brown. For visits, everyone wears gray jumpsuits. Orange jumpsuits are worn by those in solitary. Green smocks signify someone on suicide watch.
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Old 08-25-2016, 09:14 AM   #1114
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Told you the show would work without Elliot. Darlene is now a serial killer, which is probably more interesting than crazy Elliot. Party will certainly be over next week, though.

It wasn't established well, but I'm assuming the iPhone/Android scene was a flashback.
It's a scene where two people who have been working together the entire show are meeting for the first time. How much more established do you need it to be?

Not surprised you liked the episode. I thought it was the most boring of the season.
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Old 08-25-2016, 09:36 AM   #1115
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Am I the only one who thought killing the E. Corp woman was the only option? Also, could they have been more stupid by setting up shop in a E. Corp exec home?

I liked this episode more than most recent ones.
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Old 08-25-2016, 10:13 AM   #1116
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They should have left after the first bonk on the head. She would have had amnesia imo
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Old 08-25-2016, 01:44 PM   #1117
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Also, could they have been more stupid by setting up shop in a E. Corp exec home?
darlene was looking for an excuse to kill her
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Old 08-25-2016, 02:02 PM   #1118
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bonk on the head and some roofies imo

they never expressly state when there are flashbacks in this show
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Old 08-25-2016, 02:31 PM   #1119
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The more I think about it, the more I think the prison/jail stuff is going to tie back into White Rose. Ray had the illicit site, and he was probably dealing with White Rose/Dark Army in some fashion. Leon said the line about White Rose. The problem is that Elliot is completely unreliable as a basis for reality.

I also think there's something odd about Dom's FBI boss. You can tie it up in bureaucracy, but he doesn't want her to dig, and he managed to miss the massacre in China despite being the highest ranking guy there.
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Old 08-25-2016, 02:37 PM   #1120
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yeah i thought that when he missed the massacre as well
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Old 08-25-2016, 03:08 PM   #1121
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Tyrell's wife is also apparently being protected under some sort of FBI watch, for some still as yet unknown reason. We already know Tyrell's tied to the Dark Army, but I don't remember if he's connected to White Rose.
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Old 08-25-2016, 03:42 PM   #1122
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Old 08-25-2016, 04:23 PM   #1123
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I didn't think Tyrell was part of anything, I think he is just a psychopath. I always figured his association with the Dark Army and 5/9 was just what the police and FBI thought and he really had no real part in it and joined Elliot a little later.
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Old 08-25-2016, 04:27 PM   #1124
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Early in season 1, didn't he try to get Elliot to join a "group"? We weren't told who it was, but it doesn't take a lot of leaps to think Dark Army.
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Old 08-25-2016, 04:55 PM   #1125
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I thought it was just working at E-Corp, but it's been awhile so I don't know.
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