http://www.milwaukeemag.com/2006/05/01/blood-simple/

It's under "life wasn't easy." Also, see the thing poorskillz just referenced. (which has the stuff about him hitting, chocking, and threatening to kill Jodi).

right.

Unfortunately he used the word "and". Not to be a grammar Nazi, but this is akin to saying something like: "Raped and Murdered and Mutilated", where one of the being false has to disqualify the other 2.

Did you know that:- Mantiowoc County Public Safety minitues for 12-6-05 shows 744hrs + $2800 of sheriffs time billed in 1st month TH investigation. 744hrs=31days. Plus DA Mark Rohrer was at these meetings disscusing the case when they're supposed to have turned it over Kratz.

Ahh still can't admit that people will say things to stop a spouse from taking there kids away from them & react in ways they never fought was possible, BTW I hope you yourself never face a dilemma like this, honestly.

NO-ONE HERE including MYSELF is saying he was/is an ANGEL. PERIOD.

I have been in a similar situation. I raised my niece like my daughter b/c my brother is a POS drug addict and was neglecting her (not feeding her, bathing her, leaving her around drug addicts, leaving her home alone as a 2yo, etc). He ended up taking her away. It was the most devastating thing I've ever gone through. I did everything I could legally to stop it. I did not threaten to kill him. But like I said, I had forgotten about the mother thing entirely and was mainly referencing the other two threats to kill someone (of the three in total).

And I'm going to assume you are simply going to ignore my question about running someone off the road and pulling a gun on them?

Have you ever gotten into an "altercation" with your wife or gf and got a restraining order filed against you? As SA did with Jodi?

Have you ever intentionally tortured an animal for fun?

These things are not exactly the work of a mentally stable man.

I liked this move by Buting.

http://www.buting.com/Probe-of-crime-lab-requested.pdf

I Disagree here, as evident of some frat parties that happened in the 80's. A nd the frat guys were more educated than SA. Peer Pressure is one of the hardest thing's to disassociate from as a teen/young adult.

She's 15 now and things are turning out the way I feared, I'm afraid.

But these incidents with SA were not isolated events. Nor were they isolated to one time period of his life. They were all done as an adult and over a long span of time. All I'm saying is that a person who does those things is the type of person who would not surprise me to hear he killed someone. Of course, it's not proof that he did, but he certainly sounds like he has all the traits of a sociopath.

somehow =

If true, wow.

- "In an 11-page complaint filed Monday, Jerome Buting said the DOJ is obliged to launch an independent inquiry into the work of the analysts as a condition of the $578,000 in federal funds the crime lab has received since 2005.

- "Agencies that accept grant money must designate “external and independent” investigators to
handle “allegations of serious negligence or misconduct,” according to the state’s grant
agreement.

In a January report, the U.S. Office of the Inspector General found the U.S. Department of Justice
was failing to enforce that requirement. It found that 78 percent of the entities designated to
conduct the investigations lacked the authority, capability or an appropriate process to ensure the
reviews were done by someone not connected to the labs.

Under the grant, Wisconsin has designated two top DOJ officials to investigate allegations of
misconduct against the crime lab: Mike Myszewski, head of the Division of Criminal
Investigation; and Kevin Potter, administrator of the Division of Legal Services.
St. John said DCI, which he described as “an independent entity,” will conduct the review of
Buting’s complaint. Myszewski and Potter report to Van Hollen, as does the official who
oversees the state Crime Laboratory, former Dane County Sheriff Gary Hamblin. Oberfield
questioned whether the two top officials could conduct an arms-length investigation of their own
agency.

“We have serious issues with DOJ taking on such an investigation givens its apparent
shortcomings with independence and externality,” he said."

So again we go over this itt that SA killed a cat when fooling around with friends & got into an argument with his GF & pushed her onto the bed, YEAH sounds like a sociopath...... LMAO.

BURP!!! sorry BURP!!!

How much ya wanna bet that little cup beside her when testifying was not water.

I am trying to find the article that she was disciplined after the SA trial, not sure on this but tring to find.

That information was in something posted earlier itt, as poorskillz referenced. Go back and find it if you want to read it first hand.

That's pretty dismissive of what are, in fact, four pretty significant events. Would you want to be friends with someone like that? Would you want your daughter dating someone like that? Or would you be worried for her safety? It's seems pretty shocking to me that you can simply dismiss these things as insignificant and somehow not revealing anything about his personality or character.

Anyways....... Will this do?

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/pro...e6c0cce9e.html

Well as we all can see, you've totally discredited your source.

link doesn't work.

regarding 'what i would do as a juror', i actually think it's pretty funny that the dude who was excused is appalled by the decision and still losing sleep over it later. unless he was absolutely convinced that steven could never ever have been involved (e.g. lostinthesaus levels of delusion), it's pretty likely he just gets talked around eventually anyway.

"Why do you think the same five guys (are involved in inculpating the very same man that could cause them substantial loss for doing the exact same thing to him 20 years earlier)? What, are they the luckiest guys in (Manitowoc County)?

"Why do you think the same five guys (who were not supposed to be at the crime scene are involved in "finding" over 50% of the most incriminating evidence after it has already been searched numerous times over)? What, are they the 5 luckiest guys in (Manitowoc County)?

It's pure probabilities. Has nothing to do with how I revere Steven Avery or in what regard I hold the Law Enforcement officials. It's simply extremely improbable that he committed this murder.

Remove any of the big three: 1) tainted evidence, 2) MC's history and lingering lawsuit 3) no REAL history of violent anything - And the probability increases dramatically.

But each extenuating circumstance attached to each one of the big 3 exponentially decreases the probability of him having done this. And the more absolute BS that rises to the surface about this case, the further he should be removed from having anything to do with the murder of Teresa Halbach. It's actually quite logical.

.;;

fooling around?

normal people don't douse animals in gasoline and throw onto a fire. this is step one of "you're going to become a serial killer". also, people that are psychopaths are incapable of change. it's not something you can grow out of. you can pretend to fit into society and never kill tho.

Which behavioral science degree did you say you had? And how do you measure one's actions when drunk on the "you're going to become a serial killer" index?

sorry, should be OK.

Kathleen Zellner has said SA is identical to the other 17 cases of innocent men we.ve cleared & won't quit until he's out.

Totally excuses it, I forgot.

I know more about the subject of serial killers than I care to share. I'm not expressing an opinion of his guilt based on the cat "incident", but to dismiss it is just so naive. It's not fooling around.