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11-15-2017 , 07:45 PM
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I've shown you to be wrong many times in the past few pages, yet you never seem able to bring yourself to admit you're wrong.
I have admitted I was wrong when I was wrong. I can think of two examples off the top of my head with you specifically. The issue with kratz and the girl accusing him of using his power to get a blowjob from her and the issue with the computer searches in april. I cannot however, think of any circumstance where you have provided the same respect to others.
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11-15-2017 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
I have admitted I was wrong when I was wrong.
I'm not shy about admitting I am wrong when I am wrong, either.

So I don't understand what you are complaining about.
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11-15-2017 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz
I'm not shy about admitting I am wrong when I am wrong, either.
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The state's witness admitted the test bullet from the gun found in Steven's home did not match the bullet found in the garage:
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Looks like I was right. Again.
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That isn't what he said. He said there are differences between the two bullets. That does not mean that he is saying item FL didn't match the gun. In fact, he said directly in his testimony and in his report that it did.
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I'm not shy about admitting I am wrong when I am wrong, either.
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11-15-2017 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
Initially you said this

"The bullet could not be traced to any specific rifle"

Can any bullet be traced to a specific rifle? If the answer is no and that is your opinion, why did you not just say that?

Of course, tests can be wrong and some areas of scientific study are more accurate than others but the best methods we do have available linked the bullet to his rifle. You are now changing your contention from what the expert said, to what the defenses challenge was to challenging the entire field all together.
Yes, that was my conclusion which was supported by testimony in open court that Newhouse admitted that the markings on the test bullet were different that the markings on the bullet fragment item FL.

It is my contention that 'a great deal of difference' means 'not the same'.

Further support for my position being that actual scientists have deep reservations about how forensic tests and testimony deviate from scientific standards.

There is no change of what I have asserted, I am merely providing more compelling evidence in support of my claim.
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11-15-2017 , 08:36 PM
I pop in on this thread every 6 months or so, amazing that it's still the same people going around in the same circles.

No one is going to change anyone's mind. Proudfootz' quotes that I linked above prove that he simply sees what he wants to see and ignores the rest.

My advice to those trying to talk sense itt is to save your energy for people who have some critical thinking skills.

Anyway have fun guess I'll check back in 6 more months... I'm sure Zellner will have Avery released by then with all the bombshell NEW EVIDENCE she has found.

Carry on all.
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11-15-2017 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Apparently revots33 is among those who think 'a great deal of difference' means 'they match'.
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11-15-2017 , 08:45 PM
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Anyway have fun guess I'll check back in 6 more months...
6-month vacations... shilling truly is the best profession.
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11-16-2017 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33

My advice to those trying to talk sense itt is to save your energy for people who have some critical thinking skills.
If we all did that, no one would rebut the silly posts from corpus vile and fraleyight.
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11-16-2017 , 07:11 AM
More comedy from Zellner including flat out lying what the prosecution actually stated in court.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/s...nce-146760.amp

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“I never said the bullet went through the skull,” argues Kratz. Zellner calls Kratz’s response laughable: “He told the jury that Ms. Halbach was shot twice in the head
Kratz said at least twice & suggested she was shot more times as other casings supported.

Zellner also shows her professionalism by attacking the prosecutor over personal appearance
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“The assertion that Mr. Avery was sweating is pure speculation. It’s reasonable to assume that an obese prosecutor dressed in a suit and tie would be sweating with such mild exertion,”
Also how does one ascertain who "The best scientists in the world" are? Is there like a ranking system? Do scientists have an annual Ninja Warrior style contest or something to determine this? She really has lost the plot, and appears to be pandering to Avery's truther loons lol.
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11-16-2017 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Kratz said at least twice & suggested she was shot more times as other casings supported.
This highlights the absurdity of the ideas from the prosecution: Brendan and Steven supposedly cleaned up every microscopic drop of blood from multiple gunshots but somehow didn't sweep up the shell casings.
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11-16-2017 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Also how does one ascertain who "The best scientists in the world" are?
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She really has lost the plot, and appears to be pandering to Avery's truther loons lol.
She reminds me of Trump, complete with crazy supporters who believe her ridiculous claims and promises, ignore her constant lies, and try to justify her every ****up.
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11-16-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
More comedy from Zellner including flat out lying what the prosecution actually stated in court.
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LOL "flat out lying".

Opening case arguments (to the jury).

KK - Teresa Halbach is killed. She's laying
down. She's shot twice, once in the left side of
her head, once in the back of her head, or I
guess I should more accurately say she's shot at
least twice.

So here CV decides he's going to call it a "lie" because she didn't say "at least" twice.

Man that's stoopid.
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11-16-2017 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
LOL "flat out lying".

Opening case arguments (to the jury).

KK - Teresa Halbach is killed. She's laying
down. She's shot twice, once in the left side of
her head, once in the back of her head, or I
guess I should more accurately say she's shot at
least twice.

So here CV decides he's going to call it a "lie" because she didn't say "at least" twice.

Man that's stoopid.
Katz also brought it up at the closing, too.

"Teresa Halbach is killed. She's laying down. She's shot twice, once in the left side of her head, once in the back of her head, or I guess I should more accurately say she's shot at least twice. Because two bullet's were found, two entrance wounds were found to her head. "

Microscopic examination of the bullet fragments yielded no evidence of human tissue, blood, or bone as if neither one had never struck a person let alone killed anyone.

Surprisingly, even though cement dust was everywhere in the garage due to vain efforts by police to find any evidence of Teresa in the garage, the bullet fragment FL had no dust on it but it was on top of the dust - suggesting the fragment arrived at its location after the thorough police search.
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11-16-2017 , 09:25 PM
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Surprisingly, even though cement dust was everywhere in the garage due to vain efforts by police to find any evidence of Teresa in the garage, the bullet fragment FL had no dust on it but it was on top of the dust - suggesting the fragment arrived at its location after the thorough police search.
Do you have a link for this?
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11-16-2017 , 09:26 PM
If anyone thinks proving the bullet never passed through a skull (which zellner hasn't done) could have changed the outcome of the trial, you're delusional.
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11-16-2017 , 09:47 PM
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xad...9Nc33usCP/view

Zellner is at it again! Yet another motion filed. This one may be the best yet!

First of all, how could B&S not know about the computer searches? It was in the DCI report. B&S received the DCI report so how did they not know? It seems she is arguing because they didn't get a specific copy this somehow means there was a Brady violation.

Secondly, she IS REALLY claming that Scott was saying Teresa left when he wasn't even on the phone! LMAO. The dude was talking in the background when this happened. He clearly wasn't commenting on what avery said because he wouldn't have been able to hear what avery was saying. He was commenting on what Barb was saying about bobby not knowing anything.

Third, and the last thing I want to say about this. How can any reasonable person think the word "sikikey" means Skinny? This whole thing is ****ing ridiculous.
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11-16-2017 , 11:04 PM
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Third, and the last thing I want to say about this. How can any reasonable person think the word "sikikey" means Skinny? This whole thing is ****ing ridiculous.


"Current post-conviction counsel’s investigator, James Kirby, has
confirmed that Mr. Tadych’s nickname at work was “Skinny,” and,
according to a current employee, many of the shift workers are not
totally literate. It is a reasonable inference that a semi-literate
employees might have misspelled the word “Skinny” in the note."

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11-16-2017 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
First of all, how could B&S not know about the computer searches? It was in the DCI report. B&S received the DCI report so how did they not know? It seems she is arguing because they didn't get a specific copy this somehow means there was a Brady violation.
Why do you use the word "specific"?

So you agree then? Hiis counsel was ineffective?

Can't have it both ways donk.

What does sikikey mean then? If that's his nickname, it's by far the best guess, albeit I will admit it's a stretch.
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11-16-2017 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xad...9Nc33usCP/view

Zellner is at it again! Yet another motion filed. This one may be the best yet!

First of all, how could B&S not know about the computer searches? It was in the DCI report. B&S received the DCI report so how did they not know? It seems she is arguing because they didn't get a specific copy this somehow means there was a Brady violation.

Secondly, she IS REALLY claming that Scott was saying Teresa left when he wasn't even on the phone! LMAO. The dude was talking in the background when this happened. He clearly wasn't commenting on what avery said because he wouldn't have been able to hear what avery was saying. He was commenting on what Barb was saying about bobby not knowing anything.

Third, and the last thing I want to say about this. How can any reasonable person think the word "sikikey" means Skinny? This whole thing is ****ing ridiculous.
I like how most of the document gives tantalizing details of the sick sh*t they found on suspect BoD's computer, yet none of you shill tards mentions this.

Can't believe you murder groupies are now also supporting snuff porn.
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11-17-2017 , 12:03 AM
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I like how most of the document gives tantalizing details of the sick sh*t they found on suspect BoD's computer, yet none of you shill tards mentions this.

Can't believe you murder groupies are now also supporting snuff porn.
The searches have actually been discussed in great detail itt. They are not new, Zellner presented this red herring over a month ago.

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11-17-2017 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
Why do you use the word "specific"?

So you agree then? Hiis counsel was ineffective?

Can't have it both ways donk.

What does sikikey mean then? If that's his nickname, it's by far the best guess, albeit I will admit it's a stretch.
This part isn't arguing his counsel was ineffective, its arguing for a brady violation. The part arguing his counsel was ineffective is talking about not calling their own blood spatter experts. And no, I do not think their counsel was ineffective. I think both B&S did a very good job with the impossible case they were given.

I use the word specific because both B&S were clearly aware of the computer searches. Or at least, had the information needed to be aware.

No its not the best guess, there is 0 evidence to implicate ST had anything to do with this crime. It is also beyond ridiculous to imagine scott carrying in a 4 day old dead corpse to his work to smelter the body, then carrying the remains back to averys burn pit to plant the remains. Concluding this violates any good logical method of evaluating facts. All of this can easily be explained with the burnpit being the primary location where she was burned, there is no reason to introduce some other unknown location by some unknown party just to fantasize that avery is guilty.

Not to mention, the simple spelling of the work Sikikey, looks nothing like skinny. Even the most illeterate people are not going to try and spell Skinny without an N. If it said Skenny, or Skiny or maybe even Skene or something sure, itd be a fair deduction.
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11-17-2017 , 01:07 AM
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What does sikikey mean then? If that's his nickname, it's by far the best guess, albeit I will admit it's a stretch.
When even the conspiracy theorists think your theory is a stretch, it's not looking good.
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11-17-2017 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz
When even the conspiracy theorists think your theory is a stretch, it's not looking good.
Go ahead and put me back on ignore now. Get a life and real job shill.
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11-17-2017 , 04:39 AM
Btw do murderer groupies for Cuddly Steve now concede that apart from Zellner being a liar who raises objections to non existent arguments, prosecution never mentioned Teresa being shot "through" the head? Seeing as Zellner appears to be contradicting herself yet again?
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11-17-2017 , 06:22 AM
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"Current post-conviction counsel’s investigator, James Kirby, has
confirmed that Mr. Tadych’s nickname at work was “Skinny,” and,
according to a current employee, many of the shift workers are not
totally literate. It is a reasonable inference that a semi-literate
employees might have misspelled the word “Skinny” in the note."

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Don't forget RH using a false name! Killgas not Hillegas!!

I gotta say I was taken aback at first at how useless Zellner has shown herself. Now I expect no less. As Griesbach said, she's a disgrace to the profession.
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